Top 5 PG Prospects?

[Golabki]

Number 1:
Hands down Bayless. He is dominating college as a true freshmen. He may be more of an

[Cammo101]

Number 1:
Hands down Bayless. He is dominating college as a true freshmen. He may be more of an

[ISB]

Bayless is a hell of a player, but he is clearly an undersized scorer more than a PG. That's not a bad thing but I don't think it makes sense to compare him with guys like Augustin, Lawson, and Collison (who are all PGs all the way with no chance of playing anything else) when Bayless will probably get most of his minutes at SG in the NBA.

And based on his college season, Mayo appears to be even more of a SG than Bayless.

[CB4MiamiHeat]

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Bayless is putting up big numbers on an NIT team. Rose is putting up good numbers on a #1 seed. Subtle difference. Rose is clearly a better prospect than Bayless.

umm..Arizona has the toughest schedule in the entire NCAA, #1 Strength of Schedule..and they will most likely make the NCAA tournament.

According to most "experts".. .500 the rest of the way is enough.

[Golabki]

Thanks CB4, and Memphis plays against the pink.

And it isn't like Rose is flawless. He can't shoot and he is committing a TON of turnovers. Those are two pretty big problems for a PG. Sure Rose is a freak, but right now I think he is the worst player of the top 5. Sure he has the most upside because of his aggressiveness and athleticism, but he also the least skilled and has the best chance of being a bust.

[SoHo]

Arizona isn't an NIT team. The PAC-10 is either the best or 2nd best conference in the country. I'm pretty sure C-USA isn't close...

Memphis was a deserving #1 and Rose has played against some good competition, but if you truly watched PAC-10 ball you would know that Bayless is playing against good teams night in and night out.

That said, it is still very clear, to me at least, that Rose is the better PG prospect.

[BMiller52]

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umm..Arizona has the toughest schedule in the entire NCAA, #1 Strength of Schedule..and they will most likely make the NCAA tournament.

According to most "experts".. .500 the rest of the way is enough.

Yeah I watch them all the time, they're a good team. They just play a bunch of good teams with a lot of talent. Bayless is the real deal. I'm way more impressed by him than Collison. Bayless has a legit shot at being the 3rd pick.

[Cammo101]

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Yeah I watch them all the time, they're a good team. They just play a bunch of good teams with a lot of talent. Bayless is the real deal. I'm way more impressed by him than Collison. Bayless has a legit shot at being the 3rd pick.

Agreed on all counts, but my point still remains that no GM would take him over Rose.

[Cammo101]

Thanks CB4, and Memphis plays against the pink.

And it isn't like Rose is flawless. He can't shoot and he is committing a TON of turnovers. Those are two pretty big problems for a PG. Sure Rose is a freak, but right now I think he is the worst player of the top 5. Sure he has the most upside because of his aggressiveness and athleticism, but he also the least skilled and has the best chance of being a bust.

Derrick Rose commits 3 TO's a game. Bayless commits 3.2 TO's a game. At least you still have outside shooting to cling to, not that Jason Kidd needed it.

[Golabki]

Cammo:

You're right Bayless and Rose have about the same TOs, but you have to look at how big a roll the player plays in the offense. Bayless is scoring way more than Rose, and heavy volume scorers ALWAYS have TO numbers. And, as mentioned before, Bayless is playing against better defenses.

[Cammo101]

You guys can talk Bayless up until you are blue in the face, but he is no Derrick Rose. Rose is a 6'4'' true PG who can do anything on the floor. His upside is out of this world. Bayless, who is also very good, is a 6'1'' scoring PG who is more of a SG in a PG's body. Bayless is coming along with his PG skills, but he will never be a true PG. Bayless at best is Gilbert Arenas, Rose as best is a prime Jason Kidd. Anyone who would not take the prime Kidd is nuts. And for the record, I like Bayless a lot.

[gmurray8]

Arizona SOS: 1
Arizona RPI: 16

Arizona also had Bayless out for 4 games, going 1-3. Not to mention they had a game stolen from them at home against Stanford.

I guess SOS 1 and RPI 16 = NIT these days? Logical statement.

I would take Rose over Bayless on potential, but Bayless is currently the best Freshman in the country outside of Beasley. Bayless would be a better fit on certain teams than would Rose (Clippers and Heat come to mind).

[riehldeal]

Whoa, Collison is really overrated. There's no way he's as good as Augustin or better than Lawson. Lawson's quickness and athleticism gives him a ton of potential, he's a better ball handler and passer. Augustin's just better at everything offensively, he's a great ball handler, shooter, slasher, and passer. The only thing Collison has on those guys is defense and he's kinda small to be a great defender in the NBA IMO. I haven't been impressed with Collison at all. I actually think he kinda sucks and I was way more impressed with his teammate Russel Westbrook. Bigger, more athletic, gets just as many APG(maybe a little more, I'm not sure at the moment) despite handling the ball less, more potential to be a great defender IMO.

I don't see what anyone sees in Collison. Sure he has experience and stuff, he can play D, but offensively he's not great at anything. None of his skills stand out. Reminds me of Earl Watson or someone. I don't see how he's ahead of Augustin OR Lawson.

I couldn't agree more...

[randomhero423]

rose's assist total gets hut because of the system memphis runs...

[AnSweR07]

You guys can talk Bayless up until you are blue in the face, but he is no Derrick Rose. Rose is a 6'4'' true PG who can do anything on the floor. His upside is out of this world. Bayless, who is also very good, is a 6'1'' scoring PG who is more of a SG in a PG's body. Bayless is coming along with his PG skills, but he will never be a true PG. Bayless at best is Gilbert Arenas, Rose as best is a prime Jason Kidd. Anyone who would not take the prime Kidd is nuts. And for the record, I like Bayless a lot.

Nah you're biased. Bayless is more skilled period.

[cmd1985]

More skilled, better shooter yes, ball handler no, passer no.

As I stated in an earlier thread. You all are enamored with the fact that Bayless scores more. That is fine. I like scoring as well. But Rose is going to be a true PG. He only scores when his team needs him to, I.E. Tennessee! He should average a few more assist per game but his team shoots really poorly and they have no true post presence they can go into and score. Plus the dribble drive motion offense is not really suited for a PG like Rose. Most of Memphis baskets are guys breaking there man down off the dribble and finishing with a lay-up or someone coming from the weak side with a tip-in. Plus has anyone ever seen a pick and roll at Memphis, that is what most NBA offenses run and Rose will definitely be able to either hit the cutter, pull-up for the mid-range J or create something going towards the rack.

I love Bayless but come time for the L, i'll take Rose. A better comparison for Bayless is Gordon

[CB4MiamiHeat]

Arizona relies on Bayless to score so much, his assists take a hit..he can never lay back and play the role of the distributor...

The thing people overlook as that Bayless is so important to the team, he needs to shoot a lot..and sometimes force shots...even then hes putting up Steve Nash type shooting percentages 48%(fg)/43%(3)/83%(ft) (well maybe not Nash, but still damn good)

[cmd1985]

Bayless is a scorer and a great scorer at that. That is what he does, he has never really been a PG, he can become a great one but right now he is a Monta Ellis/Gilbert Arenas cross. He is a great scorer not really a great passer a formidable one but not a PG, a combo type guard!

[Bucky O'Hare]

You guys can talk Bayless up until you are blue in the face, but he is no Derrick Rose. Rose is a 6'4'' true PG who can do anything on the floor. His upside is out of this world. Bayless, who is also very good, is a 6'1'' scoring PG who is more of a SG in a PG's body. Bayless is coming along with his PG skills, but he will never be a true PG. Bayless at best is Gilbert Arenas, Rose as best is a prime Jason Kidd. Anyone who would not take the prime Kidd is nuts. And for the record, I like Bayless a lot.

Thus far, Derrick Rose is living off of hype and potential whereas Jerryd Bayless is living off of production.

As for the height comment, they both measured in at 6'3.5" in shoes, so I have no idea where you're getting that info from.

[Cammo101]

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Thus far, Derrick Rose is living off of hype and potential whereas Jerryd Bayless is living off of production.

As for the height comment, they both measured in at 6'3.5" in shoes, so I have no idea where you're getting that info from.

Living off of hype? Rose is the leader of a #1 seed. Bayless will be playing in the 8/9 game. If you think playing PG is about stats then by all means, take Bayless over Rose. Rose is a true PG, Bayless is a combo guard. Combo guards like Bayless are far more prevelant than true PG's like Rose.