Why don't Suns use Shaq in the post?

eastsidecrossover · Post #21 » by **eastsidecrossover** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:38 am

spacing is the big thing IMO. Its only been 3 games. I think once they bring in another 3-pt shooter to space the floor, he will get more opportunities down low. We have to get him that one on one opportunity more offten. I hope they will work it all out in a few weeks.

enigmatics · Post #22 » by **enigmatics** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:42 am

It's simple. Right now Shaq is a huge liability in the post on offense because of his free throw shooting. His misses and the fact that it will slow the game down works against him. He'll get some touches and soon as everyone else's roles are worked out.

Chubby Chaser · Post #23 » by **Chubby Chaser** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:47 am

Using Shaq in the high post is like turning Peyton Manning into a running quarterback. It just doesn't make sense. It doesn't take rocket science to know how to use Shaq. Let him seal off his man and get good post position and throw him the ball. He'll either dunk it, get fouled, or create open shots from sagging defenders.

Patterns · Post #24 » by **Patterns** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:05 am

Kobe D wrote:Using Shaq in the high post is like turning Peyton Manning into a running quarterback. It just doesn't make sense. It doesn't take rocket science to know how to use Shaq. Let him seal off his man and get good post position and throw him the ball. He'll either dunk it, get fouled, or create open shots from sagging defenders.

He will mostly get fouled and convert 1 of 2 on the line if he's lucky. That's just bad offense if the Suns have to rely on Shaq's FTs.

Post #25 » by **TASTIC** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:18 am

^You can't put a price on Shaq getting us into the penalty in a game though. Amare, Nash, Barbosa are all very good free throw shooters, so when it gets into the penalty thats a good time to yank Shaq and go small/fastball

Chubby Chaser · Post #26 » by **Chubby Chaser** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:44 am

Newsflash, fouling out the other team is good. Sure, shaq will miss his fair share of free throws. But this is not something new. He's won 3 championships with his horrible free throw shooting. So you shouldn't look at his ft percentage as a reason to not post him up. That's insane.

Post #27 » by **TASTIC** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:44 am

^That's my point - I'm FOR dumping it down to the big fella, it worked against Gasol, and then we stopped and let the foot off the jugular and should have tried to get the 4th foul on Pau. But no...DA knows best... apparently.

JaeRell · Post #28 » by **JaeRell** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:52 pm

you guys shouldn't always go to shaq in the post to score when he is on the floor...utilize him in other ways..

for starters

...stop sending him on high pick and rolls..it's painful to watch how slow he rolls to the basket.
...let him pick and roll with amare at the free throw line or anywhere near...that could result in a amare dunk or dish to oneal for the jam or put back by oneal.
...iso shaq in the post with the ball and runs off-ball screens to free up your shooters, like nash, barbosa, and hill...do the same with amare.
...and when you have miss matches with shaq...let him do work.

...and with shaq out the game...run your regular offense.

yall have alot to work on...i hope DA doesn't keep on doing what i have seen so far...i like shaq and don't want to see him look terrible so out there.

chrice · Post #29 » by **chrice** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:28 pm

I agree..using Shaq in the high screens is not going to make him effective. In order for those to work, the big man needs to have a jumpshot from that range.

Diaw I have to admit looks like the guy who is trying to get Shaq involved the most, and has the right idea about that. You let Shaq establish position in the low post without the ball, then all you need to do is get the ball to him. If he has position, he's either getting a dunk, and/or going to the foul line.

I noticed there were a lot of easy buckets that we could have gotten during the past few games... where Amare drives on the pick and roll, draws 2 defenders in the paint and then tried to lay it up and missed it. Shaq was on the weakside wide open, all Amare needed to do was make a wrap around pass for a dunk.

JohnVancouver · Post #30 » by **JohnVancouver** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:29 pm

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Shaq claimed the Suns wouldn't have to adjust to him, he would adjust to them. He was absolutely wrong. The team is going to have to adjust to him if he is going to play heavy minutes. It's a two-way street.

-- What he meant was he was more interested in changing his game to give the team what it needed, not them accommodating their game to him. Defensive presence, boards and outlet for the break, and if the break isn't there he will be a presence that demands doubleteams -

Working him into the halfcourt set is what will take some adjustment. Despite the last game, I think it will work.

Patterns · Post #31 » by **Patterns** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:21 pm

Dumping the ball to Shaq is not as good as pick and roll with Amare and Nash IMO.

Shaq isn't nearly as effective on the block as he once was.

|||-Abaddon-||| · Post #32 » by **|||-Abaddon-|||** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:19 am

reading this thread bring tears to my eyes --- we have the recipe to be really successful once Shaq is the game, and we have the recipe to run when Shaq is out.

Diveristy, will win us alot of games. Teams wont know how to respond to our weapons. If Shaq still has it, then we have to utilize his offensive post skills routinely, make the league and the its refs respect his dominance once more. Shaq is a carreer 60% field goal shooter, it wont change --- bottom line, I'd rather dump the ball to Shaq for a 60% chance of going in, than an open 3 with 40-50% chance of going in.

And its easy. were struggling with our shots, or we are facing a pestering defense like the Pistons, we dump the ball to Shaq -- and he'll either put up the points at a 60%, or free up easy shots for Amare and Nash at a 40-50% clip.