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Post#1 » by your_dallas_mavericks » Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:49 pm

If Mavs pursue Barry, they'll have company
By JEFF CAPLANStar-Telegram Staff Writer
KEITH VAN HORN
MINNEAPOLIS -- With two roster spots that need to be filled by Saturday, the Mavericks are in the hunt for a big man and a 3-point ace named Brent Barry.

The Spurs traded Barry to Seattle for added inside muscle in Kurt Thomas and the Sonics cut him.

In what could have been viewed as a Jerry Stackhouse-style deal, it made sense to believe the injured Barry would sit out the league-mandated 30 days and then re-sign with the Spurs.

But that scenario's apparently not a slam dunk.

So that's where things get intriguing.

Barry can either return to San Antonio, the team he won two titles with and where his family lives, or spurn the Spurs by signing with one of their three key rivals: the Suns, Rockets or Mavs, all interested parties.

When asked about Barry on Sunday, Mavs president of basketball operations Donnie Nelson said: "We're interested."

Houston, where Barry's analyst brother Jon finished his playing career, is seemingly putting on a full-court press. As for the Mavs, Dirk Nowitzki would only smile when asked if he's made a personal pitch to the 43-percent 3-point shooter and Jason Kidd said he'd welcome Barry.

"I was going to call him and see where his mind-set is, but I haven't had a chance to call," Kidd said. "He makes the game easy. He would definitely help."

That's what the Suns, Rockets and Spurs are thinking, too.

As for the Mavs' seeking to bulk up their interior, Jamaal Magloire, released by the Nets on Friday, will become a free agent Tuesday evening if he clears the 48-hour waiver process.

Forward Justin Williams, released by Sacramento, is also a possibility. Dale Davis is off the table. He re-joined his former team, the Pistons.

"Like other teams, whether it's Boston or Phoenix or L.A. or whomever, we make the same calls to good players that they make," Mavs coach Avery Johnson said.

"Everybody that we talked to is in the wait-and-see decision mode."

Players must be added by Saturday to be eligible for the postseason roster.

Front and center

Without DeSagana Diop, the Mavs' center rotation is moving from a two-man rotation to more of a rotisserie with Erick Dampier, the lone true center, grabbing the lion's share of minutes, Avery Johnson said. Depending on matchups, Dirk Nowitzki, Brandon Bass, Juwan Howard, Malik Allen and any newcomer could rotate in short shifts. Sunday, Dampier played 29 minutes. "At the end of the day it's going to be 12 or 14 minutes," Johnson said. "We know that our defense might suffer in terms of shot blocking [without DeSagana Diop], but we need to get more charges and maybe play some more zone."

Kidd under control

Avery Johnson and Jason Kidd have met several times off the court to better understand each other's tendencies on it, the coach said. "I'm going to let him go in a lot of ways," said Johnson, a micromanager with former point guard Devin Harris. "But there are times where we're going to need him to manage this particular team probably different than he did in New Jersey."

Team building

The re-tooled Mavs gathered for lunch Saturday at a downtown Minneapolis Italian restaurant, their first chance to meet as a team off the court since the trade. "You try to get a feel for guys and personalities," Avery Johnson said. "Everybody has different personalities. You try to push the right buttons with certain guys. Things are more meaningful to some guys than others."

New Bulls

Chicago comes to town tonight without the big hair of Ben Wallace, who was traded to Cleveland with Joe Smith at the deadline. The Bulls will have a new look with Larry Hughes and Drew Gooden.

Briefly

The Mavs improved to 4-16 when entering the fourth quarter tied or trailing.

The Mavs had 24 assists on 36 field goals. They've had 56 in the past two games. Before Kidd's arrival, the Mavs averaged 19.9 assists a game.

Breakdown

Why the Mavericks won: Although the Timberwolves had another hustling home performance, a strong finish by Jason Kidd and Dirk Nowitzki sealed it in the final 5:30.

Three keys

Streaky Terry: Terry scored 20 points, giving him 42 in the past two games on 17-of-31 shooting (54.8 percent).

Hoppin' Howard: Maybe it's his sore back -- and a stomach illness Sunday -- but since Jason Kidd's arrival, Josh Howard has made just 16-of-56 shots (28.6 percent).

Road momentum II: The T'wolves took the Spurs to the wire two nights earlier, so winning in any fashion boosts confidence.

Up next: Bulls at Mavericks, 7:30 tonight, KTXA/Ch. 21

SPOTLIGHT VAN HORN FACTOR

The Mavericks just might have gotten the last laugh if the NBA cuts out the loophole that allowed them to use Keith Van Horn to make salaries match in the Jason Kidd trade.

Because Van Horn never filed retirement papers with the league -- which most players don't -- the Mavs controlled his rights. They signed him to the amount needed, roughly $4 million, and sent him to New Jersey.

Timberwolves vice president Kevin McHale told the Minneapolis Star Tribune he thinks the league will change the language to prevent retired players from being used in trades, likely before next season. Mavericks assistant general manager Keith Grant agrees.

Here's the ridiculousness of it all. League lawyers stressed that Van Horn needed to show a commitment to resuming his playing career to be included in the trade.

So far, Van Horn is the invisible man. There's a Nets locker with his name on it, but the 6-foot-10 forward has yet to be seen or heard from.

"He's here," Nets president Rod Thorn assured reporters last week. "But we are not going to make him available for interviews."

Of course, if the league doesn't get around to closing the loophole, the Mavs can always resurrect Walt Williams, Johnny Newman and Kevin Willis. They still control the rights of all three players.

jcaplan@star-telegram.com


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Post#2 » by NBA Junkie » Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:45 pm

I had to laugh when I read Thorn's comments about Van Horn being there, yet wasn't available for interview. Sounds like typical bs to me. I'm willing to bet Van Horn isn't even in New Jersey or with the team at all. Watch Van Horn be supposively diagnosed with an injury at some point just so they have another excuse for him to not be around.

As for Barry, I'd be shocked if he ended up in Dallas. The only real advantage the Mavericks have is that they could offer more money than most of the other teams. He wouldn't get any more playing time than what he did in San Antonio. My guess is that it will either be San Antonio or Phoenix that he signs with. Houston doesn't have much of a chance to win the championship and Boston might be too far away from his family. Also I'm not sure there will be a lot of minutes available in Boston anyway with Pierce, Ray Allen, Tony Allen, and James Posey at the sg/sf. Barry did play some pg back in his Seattle days though.
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Post#3 » by jtg41 » Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:37 pm

I'd prefer Barry backing up Kidd. Yes we will add to our list of wing players, but he will be the higher end. I don't know about defensively but all around I will take Brent Barry over George and Jones right now, he would have a solid role in the rotation much like Bass and Stack.
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Post#4 » by JES12 » Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:21 pm

I agree with NBA Junkie. We have several spotup 3pt shooters with Stack, Jones (if you can call him a 3pt shooter), and Terry. As far as PG, I think I'd take terry or Barea over Barry. And I doubt he would see much playing time.
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Post#5 » by JapanAir21 » Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:09 pm

I'm lost.

Since when is Brent Barry a PG?
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Post#6 » by mrmreg » Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:18 pm

NBA Junkie wrote:As for Barry, I'd be shocked if he ended up in Dallas. The only real advantage the Mavericks have is that they could offer more money than most of the other teams. He wouldn't get any more playing time than what he did in San Antonio.


I'd say Ginobili is a far more big minute SG than anyone the Mavs have.

Question, if he can't sign back with SA for 30 days, and playoff rosters have to be set before then, will he be unable to participate in the playoffs with SA? Would this have not bitten the Mavs with Stack?

Seems to me the starting SG poistion is up for grabs here. Not that Barry would start, but I'd think he might be the first SG off the bench. He could have Eddie Jones's minutes and then some.
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Post#7 » by JapanAir21 » Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:26 pm

I was going to ask the same thing, what's the March 1st deadline about if he could still play in the Playoffs after being signed past March 1st?
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Post#8 » by FGump » Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:49 pm

There is no March 1 deadline. Caplan is a moron.
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Post#9 » by Colombiano972 » Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:20 am

JapanAir21 wrote:I'm lost.

Since when is Brent Barry a PG?


He can play point forward.
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Post#10 » by Rand10 » Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:28 am

I'd take Barry over any player we have on our bench. Center has to be our first priority, but after that we should throw whatever we have left at him.
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Post#11 » by HMFFL » Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:40 am

I believe Barry's better off playing for Boston or Detroit if he really decides to not return to the Spurs. It's his best chances to make the playoffs instead of getting into the middle of the Western Conference teams that want his services.
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Post#12 » by dirkforpres » Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:56 am

Id take Barry to keep him from the other teams that want him.
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Post#13 » by your_dallas_mavericks » Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:07 am

dirkforpres wrote:Id take Barry to keep him from the other teams that want him.


I like how dfp thinks! :wink: :nod: :rofl:

Sign Magloire, sign Barry, cut Malik Allen and sign Justin Williams.

Now that's a team and one that's very deep!

Kidd/Barry/Barea
Terry/Jones/Wright
Josh Howard/Stack/George
Dirk/Bass/Juwan Howard
Damp/Magloire/Williams
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Post#14 » by HMFFL » Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:07 am

dirkforpres wrote:Id take Barry to keep him from the other teams that want him.


True.

However, I just don't see Dallas being as appealing to Barry compared to a few other teams.
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Post#15 » by your_dallas_mavericks » Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:13 am

Right now we're not, we don't have any depth at Center. Give us the depth and we are extremely appealing!
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Post#16 » by f l u r p » Tue Feb 26, 2008 4:39 am

Sure, sure, we need a center

I'd happily add Barry. I hear you guys saying we have all these shooters ... only problem is many times they simply don't show up in the playoffs. How many times have we seen Dirk get doubled or tripled only to see brick after brick from everyoneelse.

I say sign em. Hell, it's not our money.
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Post#17 » by NBA Junkie » Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:23 am

March 1st is the deadline that a player has to be waived in order to be eligible for the playoff roster of another team. It has no affect on when the player was signed. Therefore if Sam Cassell wanted to play for the Celtics this year, he has to get a buyout by Saturday. Brent Barry and Ray Allen use to be the starting back court for Seattle before they had Earl Watson and Luke Ridnour. This was back in either 03-04 or 02-03 season. He definitely is more of a sg/sf though by far. If we were somehow able to sign Barry, Magloire and Justin Williams, I would rather waive Juwan Howard than Malik Allen. Supposively tommorrow we will find out where Barry is going to play if the article in the East Valley Tribune is true. Last thing I want to see is one of the other contending teams get stronger.
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Post#18 » by SaintofKillers » Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:00 am

JapanAir21 wrote:I'm lost.

Since when is Brent Barry a PG?


He played PG unofficially in Seattle, kinda like Doug Christie and Antoine. He would bring the ball down, feed Payton off screens, or do a Jason Kidd wherein he rebounds the ball and throw cross court passes. After he signed with SA he became a one-dimensional spot-up shooter and also aged quite a bit so I don't know if he could still do stuff other than shoot.
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Post#19 » by Basketballmania » Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:28 am

justin williams is a power forward not a center. so why do you want him? he is just 6-8
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Post#20 » by Darren » Tue Feb 26, 2008 2:01 pm

Brent Barry is a veteran we can count on. Not to say we don't have much reliable threat from the perimeter. Indeed, we need a backup point man for Jason Kidd.

But I'm surprised it is Dirk and Kidd to call him instead of Avery. Are they teammates before? I think so.

In terms of money, Barry deserves more than Magloire. Of course, the team have a hole at backup 5.

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