Brezec rips Vincent

doc.end · Post #21 » by **doc.end** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:20 pm

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fluffernutter · Post #22 » by **fluffernutter** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:41 pm

doc.end wrote:Duplicate thread. It is already discussed on this board.

And thank you for contributing meaningfully to the discussion, yet again.

If you noticed - not that you did - other threads are not looking at Primo's play and thinking about what this means, or does not mean, about the Bobcats coaching/organization.

i.e. if Primo "resurges" in Toronto (even putting up 5 points/4 rebounds in limited minutes would be OK) what is he able to do up there that he could not do in Charlotte?

doc.end · Post #23 » by **doc.end** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:51 pm

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Post #24 » by **Schad** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:29 pm

Right now, I think most of the Raps board members are enjoying Brezec more for his on-court comedy than anything.

Last night, he was running around - arms a-flailing - trying to defend the Knicks' point guards on inbounds passes, he picked an argument with a ref, screamed at the heavens after committing a foul, and hung on the rim/slapped the backboard after cherry-picking for a dunk.

Oh, and this comment in the papers today about his willingness to be coached by Sam Mitchell:

Brezec suspects something was lost in the translation. "No, they call me Gangster. But Sam's Gangster, too,'' he said. "I respect Sam. He was there when I was in Charlotte. He's not scared and that's the most important thing in this business, to not be scared and trust the players. He don't take no (bleep) from nobody. I've got no problem if he curse me out if I do something wrong.

[...]He also was running around holding up three fingers when Andrea Bargnani nailed a long ball, threw his arms in the air like a man crossing the tape after 400 metres after nailing a short turnaround and jabbed fingers both horizontally and vertically after Bargnani fed him for a tidy little jump-hook.

Mitchell, at that point, was yelling at him to cut the (bleep) and get back on defence.

http://www.thestar.com/Sports/article/306598

Seriously, what did Artest and Jackson do to that kid!? :lol:

amcoolio · Post #25 » by **amcoolio** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:10 pm

That stat line is probably the best Primoz has had in three years, and hes started a lot of games in between.

Hes a great pick and pop shooter from midrange, I'll give you that. Hes absolutely terrible at every other facet of NBA basketball. I honestly think he peaked after a few years in the NBA.

The problem is that he gets exhausted after 10 minutes of basketball, and therefore can't play more than 15 minutes a game. You'll notice a cutoff point in the game, if he ever gets that many minutes, where he stops everything and its now 4 on 5 basketball for your team. I mean, literally, its right out of a video game. He just stops out of exhaustion. After 15 minutes!

Post #26 » by **Schad** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:31 pm

amcoolio wrote:That stat line is probably the best Primoz has had in three years, and hes started a lot of games in between.

Hes a great pick and pop shooter from midrange, I'll give you that. Hes absolutely terrible at every other facet of NBA basketball. I honestly think he peaked after a few years in the NBA.

The problem is that he gets exhausted after 10 minutes of basketball, and therefore can't play more than 15 minutes a game. You'll notice a cutoff point in the game, if he ever gets that many minutes, where he stops everything and its now 4 on 5 basketball for your team. I mean, literally, its right out of a video game. He just stops out of exhaustion. After 15 minutes!

Yeah, I don't doubt it. No clue whether this was a one-off in an attempt to impress his new team, but judging by last night, there's not a player in the league who expends as much energy for completely unproductive purposes.

Oddly, given that description, he spent most of the game under the basket (even when the other team had the ball, sixty feet away...). He has excellent offensive rebounding stats over his career; is it reflective of actual ability, or merely the fact that he's tall?

amcoolio · Post #27 » by **amcoolio** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:05 pm

Well hes had Okafor next to him most of the time, taking away most of the attention in the post. Another problem was that when he and Okafor were in the game, he would not get out of Okafor's way, but yet when he was out there and Okafor wasn't, he wouldn't stay in the post. Who knows.

doc.end · Post #28 » by **doc.end** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:11 pm

Plus he rarely shoots so he can rebound missed shots of his teammates.

chrbal · Post #29 » by **chrbal** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:26 pm

I'm really kind of glad that Primoz wound up in Toronto.

I figured there for the international flavor, Miami, or Minnesota would be the best fits for him (last two because they outright suck and could give him much needed playing time).

I think its a little funny that a big deal is being made about him. Since he would absolutely nothing had the Pacers never put him in an expansion draft.

W_HAMILTON · Post #30 » by **W_HAMILTON** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:52 am

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He has excellent offensive rebounding stats over his career; is it reflective of actual ability, or merely the fact that he's tall?

He is a decent offensive rebounder.

Someone said that might have been because of Okafor, but in the season where Okafor was injured most of the year, Brezec still averaged almost 2.5 offensive rebounds/game in just over half a game's worth of PT.

risktaker91 · Post #31 » by **risktaker91** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:14 am

Primo didn't play today. He's a good 3rd string backup at the C. Always good to have depth.

Post #32 » by **fatlever** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:18 pm

vincent takes another beating...

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/02/ ... annot-win/

spectre_ · Post #33 » by **spectre_** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:02 pm

fatlever wrote:vincent takes another beating...

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/02/ ... annot-win/

and he's deciding now is the right time to tell Wallace he needs to change the way he plays to save his career? Dude is laid up recovering for AMNESIA and you're laying this on him? Go away, Sam. He was freaking doubling down onto a guy with the ball two feet from the rim. Should he not play defense any more? Is playing with a vibrant motor not what NBA players are supposed to do? Is there an Anti-Coach of the Year Award? Sam's campaigning hard.

Word.

We signed Vincent to a 3 year contract? Hopefully it's around 100k per year...of course even that would be too much.

JValone · Post #34 » by **JValone** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:29 pm

This is a terrible time to be asking anything of Gerald, at least wait until he can get back on the floor before you start giving more advice. Oddly enough the only thing the majority of the media covers correctly about the Bobcats is Sam Vincent's ineptitude, maybe because it's incredibly obvious even to those who rarely see us.

Does anyone believe there is a real chance he gets removed after one season? I don't see much potential, even if he improves with experience he'll only be a mediocre coach at best. I always hear talk about Jordan sticking with his guys until the bitter end, I hope this is the exception to that because another season or two with Sam will only equal us spinning our wheels yet again.

Post #35 » by **fatlever** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:45 pm

i'm putting the odds of vincents return at 50/50. mj did can hamilton after one year before hiring collins. however, mj handpicked sam and may not yet be ready to admit blatant failure. it wouldnt surprise me to see them give sam another year, citing injuries and learning curve, and implementing new system as reason for his poor performance. however, if that happens, i figure sam has until the end of december to keep his job....... of course then we spend the remainder of next year being coached by an assistant. YAY.

Post #36 » by **floppymoose** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:56 pm

Vincent is absolutely terrible and seems to have no redeeming qualities as a coach.

With that said, the blog quoted is a complete piece of **** doing an Rove-esque smear job. If you read the actual quotes from Sam, they can't fairly be construed as anything more than concern for his players health.

doc.end · Post #37 » by **doc.end** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:44 pm

fatlever wrote:i'm putting the odds of vincents return at 50/50. mj did can hamilton after one year before hiring collins. however, mj handpicked sam and may not yet be ready to admit blatant failure. it wouldnt surprise me to see them give sam another year, citing injuries and learning curve, and implementing new system as reason for his poor performance. however, if that happens, i figure sam has until the end of december to keep his job....... of course then we spend the remainder of next year being coached by an assistant. YAY.

Then I would take a break and won't be a fan for some quite a long time. But I'm afraid that's very probable.

doc.end · Post #38 » by **doc.end** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:45 pm

floppymoose wrote:Vincent is absolutely terrible and seems to have no redeeming qualities as a coach.

With that said, the blog quoted is a complete piece of **** doing an Rove-esque smear job. If you read the actual quotes from Sam, they can't fairly be construed as anything more than concern for his players health.

Or a way <mouthbreath></mouthbreath>how to pretend it.