Otis has his eyes on the prize this summer.

[Shishnizzle]

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Jamison will be 32 years old next year and there is really only one team that can give him major money and that team is the team he is on now, unless he wants to go to a non-playoff team to end his career.

IMO Jamison will take the MLE and go to a contending team. He has made his money and 6 million plus a year, playing on a contending team is probably worth more to him now than making 10 million a year and losing.

I would love to see the Magic get him mainly because he would fill our PF need and give us a legit allstar. We can draft a SG.

I hope your right man but you don't see player giving up more money often. Washington has some injuries and some players who may go elsewhere, but they can pull it back together if they get healthy.

[Idunkonyou2]

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I hope your right man but you don't see player giving up more money often. Washington has some injuries and some players who may go elsewhere, but they can pull it back together if they get healthy.

The Wizards are not a contending team.

If Jamison was 27 or 28 years old, he would be going after the money no doubt. He is 32 years old and the only thing that is really missing is being on a legit contending team and going for a title. Jamison is basically going to be the Grant Hill of this offseason, except he is better. He will cost the MLE, but he will be on a different team by next year IMO. I'm hoping it will be the Magic, but it could potentially be any of the good contending teams. Of course the Magic have an edge. He would start for us and he would have Howard as his center.

[KingRobb02]

We are ignoring the possibility that the Wizards may want to keep this year's core in tact. If we are lucky, maybe Washington is stupid enough to think that this year proves that they don't need Gilbert, and they keep AJ. If we ask real nice, we might be able to get a sign and trade out of them.

[Bensational]

I don't think Jamison goes for the mle but you never no. Looking at these players and armed with this knowledge. Kind of shows how idiotic some posters were about Otis not doing anything before the trade deadline, because there are definetly some better options than what we could have gotten.

but they would be better options on top of the better options we possibly could have had, had a trade been made.

i'm not even sure a deal was on the table, but don't you think that the Magic would've been better off had they traded Arroyo + PG + Draft picks for Wilcox (again, not even sure a deal was on the table for Wilcox, just an example).

had that been the case, then this offseason we'd have one less hole to fill.

we had nothing to lose by making a move at the deadline had we traded away players that weren't being used anyway (arroyo, PG, JJ).

but, as you say, there's still a lot of guys out there. most, if not all of whom, will most likely be returning to their current teams.

[Bucs80]

Jamison was an all-star, though he is 32 years old...

A Range of 45-55 million for 4-5 years is more like it. He is still getting 20 Points, and 10 Rebounds a game. Why sign for the MLE, if you can get as much as 10 million more dollars in the next 4-5 years.

[Cammo101]

I don't think Jamison goes for the mle but you never no. Looking at these players and armed with this knowledge. Kind of shows how idiotic some posters were about Otis not doing anything before the trade deadline, because there are definetly some better options than what we could have gotten.

People are catching on, because I said this over and over at the deadline.

[Cammo101]

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Exactly. The MLE would have been their regardless. Otis could have made a trade, filled a hole and then the Magic could have added another player with the MLE.

I'm still shaking my head about us not getting Gasol. We could have offered the same type of expirings and Reddick, plus 2 future 1st rounders and then used the MLE to round out the roster in the offseason. Memphis probably would have dealt with us as well since we are in the eastern conference.

Otis IMO = idiot and will never take a chance. He values scrubs higher than legit good players. Sorry but I don't want a GM like that.

Why would Memphis do this deal when they got better from LA? Crittenton has a ton more value than JJ and everything else is a wash. Not to mention that was a sweetheart deal with Jerry West and Mitch Kupchak. When will people realize that we could not even match the crappy LA offer that got Gasol?

[Shishnizzle]

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but they would be better options on top of the better options we possibly could have had, had a trade been made.

i'm not even sure a deal was on the table, but don't you think that the Magic would've been better off had they traded Arroyo + PG + Draft picks for Wilcox (again, not even sure a deal was on the table for Wilcox, just an example).

had that been the case, then this offseason we'd have one less hole to fill.

we had nothing to lose by making a move at the deadline had we traded away players that weren't being used anyway (arroyo, PG, JJ).

but, as you say, there's still a lot of guys out there. most, if not all of whom, will most likely be returning to their current teams.

I'm not completely disagreeing with you. I'm just responding to your question. No I don't think it would necessarily make us better. I think some of our expirings will be gone wether we traded them or not. If we say that by taking on Wilcox's contract and loose a draft pick. That because of this mangement say's because of this we will not be using our mle because of the luxery tax ( which I find likely). Then it is better to wait, and keep our draft picks, allow those we would have traded to expire, and use the mle for some talent in the summer. By looking at the talent avialalbe in the summer and by knowing that there is'nt alot of money avialable to those players. That the Magic can pick up a quality player for the mle. Maybe better than what we could have taken in a trade. Plus from all reports most teams wanted us to take on a bad contract. This way we keep our draft picks. I believe all of this on the assumption the Magic would not have used the mle if we took on a big contract before the deadline.

[mattyBoi]

You guys arent realizing the problem here.

It was deadline deal or use the MLE.

Thats speaks volumes of the ownership and the position the franchise is in.

They aren't willing to do whatever it takes like the L.A.'s and the Dallas's.

As ive said before...It lies on ownership for not $pending, and lies on Otis for putting us into this position.

[Shishnizzle]

Not really, because the Magic have proven in the past they will spend the money. The Magic can't go out in get the team into the same situation the Knicks got themselves into. Most teams wanted to take our draft picks and saddle us with bad contracts. May be Otis spent alot of money on Shard but he would have gotten that money anyway and I like Shard. Yes it makes it more difficult to work in the future but we are not far off. We are going to need our draft picks to build this team more and financially it makes more sense to use the mle.

[lovehoops01]

It can't hurt to try to sign Jamison, but the guy is making $16 million this season. I don't see him taking an MLE deal. For one thing, the Wizards consider him one of their leaders, and if someone has to go, I would bet that Eddie Jordan doesn't think it is Jamison. I guess if Jordan would get fired that might change. For another, they have had a lot of injury problems that have hindered them this season that they might not have in the future, and even then, they still are not out of the playoff picture. And lastly, even if he did want to play for a contender, wouldn't he go to the Western Conference like all other title chasers loaded with older all-stars making their last run at a title -- or maybe to Boston or even Detroit -- rather than an up-and-coming team like the Magic?

[magictreat]

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Exactly. The MLE would have been their regardless. Otis could have made a trade, filled a hole and then the Magic could have added another player with the MLE.

I'm still shaking my head about us not getting Gasol. We could have offered the same type of expirings and Reddick, plus 2 future 1st rounders and then used the MLE to round out the roster in the offseason. Memphis probably would have dealt with us as well since we are in the eastern conference.

Otis IMO = idiot and will never take a chance. He values scrubs higher than legit good players. Sorry but I don't want a GM like that.

Man, OTIS is a tool, following orders from ownership, it was always like that,( with the others GMS) and will always be like that, that is why this franchise will never amount to anything in winning championships, with the present owners, they don't allow the basketball people to do their job, at the end they run this, base on money, not wanting to win it all.(on a budget, no luxury tax territory)

[KingRobb02]

Jamison will be 32 this summer. This is why I suggested that we only go as high as the MLE. His best days are behind him.

[mhectorgato]

Man, OTIS is a tool, following orders from ownership, it was always like that,( with the others GMS) and will always be like that, that is why this franchise will never amount to anything in winning championships, with the present owners, they don't allow the basketball people to do their job, at the end they run this, base on money, not wanting to win it all.(on a budget, no luxury tax territory)

(assuming you are old enough to work and do so)

At your job, don't do what your bosses tell you to do and let us know how it works out for you.

[maginno]

I don't think Jamison goes for the mle but you never no. Looking at these players and armed with this knowledge. Kind of shows how idiotic some posters were about Otis not doing anything before the trade deadline, because there are definetly some better options than what we could have gotten.

Not sure what knowledge we are armed with now. Its idiotic only if you fantasize that some of these names are going to sign for an MLE or better yet that incredibly we are the only ones in the league that would consider going over the cap or who have heard about a little thing called a sign and trade.

Still one thing for sure. You can't do a thing with the expirings now. that ship has sailed. As others have pointed out rightfully the MLE doesn't have anything to do with trading or not trading.

Otis can pull a rabbit out of the Hat this summer. Its possible but unlikely if he doesn't change his mind. I'll throw him a bone and say that the criticism about scouting before the deadline some thought was illogical made sense. It would help greatly if he pulled a rabbit out of the hat with our low pick as well.

[magictreat]

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(assuming you are old enough to work and do so)

At your job, don't do what your bosses tell you to do and let us know how it works out for you.

Listen kid, I'm 55 years old, have my own business, been a season ticket holder since day one, actually #25, from the days Pat Williams was selling the idea of an NBA team all over town, and base this opinion on the fact that this ownership said it in the past with words, and actions, that they won't go into the tax luxury bracket, giving us the fans that actually PAID, no hope at all, that they will go the EXTRA mile, to put us over the hump, talent wise, because THAT COST THEM MONEY. Before the reason was not having a new arena to support the investment, for been a small market, now is we need to spend, if the right player is available, sh**t, and tomorrow will be the player doesn't fit in which we are doing, in the meantime the Gasols, the Kidds, the Shaquille's are been traded, and we are going backward not improving the roster, that have more holes than a piece of swiss cheese.

[mhectorgato]

Listen kid, I'm 55 years old

So my assumption was correct

, have my own business, been a season ticket holder since day one, actually #25, from the days Pat Williams was selling the idea of an NBA team all over town, and base this opinion on the fact that this ownership said it in the past with words, and actions, that they won't go into the tax luxury bracket, giving us the fans that actually PAID, no hope at all, that they will go the EXTRA mile, to put us over the hump, talent wise, because THAT COST THEM MONEY. Before the reason was not having a new arena to support the investment, for been a small market, now is we need to spend, if the right player is available, sh**t, and tomorrow will be the player doesn't fit in which we are doing, in the meantime the Gasols, the Kidds, the Shaquille's are been traded, and we are going backward not improving the roster, that have more holes than a piece of swiss cheese.

How does this make OTIS a tool? Are your employees tools for following your direction?

Sounds like your bone to pick is with RDV/BVW rather than Otis...

[maginno]

In defense of Gato. He was not trying to put you down. He was just clarifiying the example if you did work. there are many posters here in school.

I really don't see how ownership can be blamed for following the advise of the Gm and plopping 118 million on one guy. Had we not done that all our pieces would have beed tradeable to do things to improve.

[mhectorgato]

In defense of Gato. He was not trying to put you down. He was just clarifiying the example if you did work. there are many posters here in school.

I really don't see how ownership can be blamed for following the advise of the Gm and plopping 118 million on one guy. Had we not done that all our pieces would have beed tradeable to do things to improve.

A) They can be blamed if the reason for not making moves now due to financial restrictions imposed upon him by the ownership.

B) "The buck stops here" - ownership could have said no to Otis on the amount. To me, they are just as culpable in the overpaying matter as Otis is.

C) If they are so ignorant of the impact on the cap, future $ implications and are simply are "following the advise" blindly then they are very much to blame.

and base this opinion on the fact that this ownership said it in the past with words, and actions, that they won't go into the tax luxury bracket, giving us the fans that actually PAID, no hope at all, that they will go the EXTRA mile,

Actually they went into the lux tax threashold just 2 seasons ago.

So we'll see how the summer shapes up if they will or won't spend the lux tax dollars...

[Cammo101]

Detroit and San Antonio are not in the luxary tax, and they have won most of the titles lately. They did this by not going nuts and making moves at every chance. They were smarter with their money and only made solid moves. Which is what Otis is doing. Some people posting here just have no idea. Still no one has told me any actual player we should have gotten at the deadline and how. People just keep making uninformed blanket statements.