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Post#101 » by dunkonu21 » Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:23 am

deeney0 wrote:I'm fine with the idea of Al at 4 and Beasley at three, I'm just dubious of the execution - who exactly is going to play C for the Wolves in that scenario?


If we drafted Beasley under the impression of him being the long term 3 then I'm happy. If he has to play the 4 with Al at the 5 for one season then w/e.

We do have two 2nds that could be used for a stop gap 5 if we get lucky and one falls.

But that is why I personally want a long term center, because the quicker we get one the quicker Al Jefferson develops as our power forward.
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Post#102 » by deeney0 » Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:29 am

How many centers have come out of the 2nd round to start immediately? I can't think of any. Even the end of the 1st has been pretty sparse for starting centers.

With cap space and 3 potential 1st rounders in 2009, Wolves would have plenty of opportunities to rearrange their roster and have Al and Beasley play in whatever arrangement looks best. I'm just trying to reiterate my point that if the Wolves are able to draft Beasley, they really have no choice but to play him at 4 and Al at 5, at least for next season.
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Post#103 » by horaceworthy » Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:33 am

Unless we end up taking Lopez or one of the other center prospects, that will remain up in the air.

I just think it's exceedingly tough to make an argument for anyone other than Beasley at #1. Rose looked good on Saturday, but Beasley just put up 30/15 and it didn't even seem like that good a game from him. I think he's a safe bet to become, at the least, a very good player. The defense and positional question marks are there, but at this point, if we're lucky enough to end up with the top pick overall, he's close to a no brainer. Rose has the talent to change that, but he'd need to step up his level of play for that to happen.
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Post#104 » by dunkonu21 » Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:56 am

Jordan also has the talent to be a #1 pick, but he prolly isn't ready unless he has an amazing tourny.
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Post#105 » by andyhop » Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:21 am

I think you have to take Beasley if you get the No.1 pick, I am still not completely sold on him being a real force (rather than a good player) in the league or even fitting very well on the team, but what he has done in college this season means you can't pass him by and just have to find a way to fit him in somewhere and hope that he does become a dominant player in the NBA too.

Next I'd take Rose I just think that he is going to be very good and could well turn out to be the best Pro in the draft this year.

After that I think I would try and trade down a few spots and pick up one of the centres. The "BPA differential" IMO between the next few likely picks is a lot less than the difference to the team that filling that hole in the roster would make.
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Post#106 » by revprodeji » Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:01 am

Jordan should stay another year. Draftin him is a mess.

2nd rd this year is interesting, it is very likely a Hardin-type falls. Or we trade the 2 early 2nds for a mid first.
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Post#107 » by dunkonu21 » Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:07 am

revprodeji wrote:Jordan should stay another year. Draftin him is a mess.



Didn't you have a link from draft express that said he didn't get along with the Texas A&m coaches? The dude who wrote the article seemed to be very confident that Jordan will come out.

You are prolly right tho, he should stay in school. I just hope he has a great end of the year and gives us a chance to consider him with our pick.
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Post#108 » by TheFranchise21 » Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:02 am

horaceworthy wrote:I listed 3 things that I thought were funny statements.

I backed up why I thought the first one was funny, so I won't do that in this post.

The second point I found funny because it's tough to say he lucked into 15 rebounds when he's leading the nation in rebounding.

The third statement I found funny because there are plenty of players that are the tallest player on their teams, but don't lead the nation in rebounding. It implied that Beasley simply gets boards because he's tall, which definitely isn't the case.

I do respect people's opinions around here. I just happen to find how far people are willing to reach in order to knock Beasley down a peg or two funny. It seems like those that advocate picking someone other than Beasley at #1 tend to do so by tearing down Beasley, not by building up their guy (not exactly the most mature way to go about making their case, but whatever). That I find that funny isn't elitist.

I don't think my opinion is better than anybody else's around here. In some instances it's more correct, and in many other instances it's less correct. I should still be able to express it, and in this particular instance, it was that those three statements made me chuckle. There are holes in Beasley's game that can be used to make an argument against him. His rebounding and getting exasperated when his team is falling behind and he's not getting a chance to keep them in the game don't fall into that category.

People have made far more classless, elitist and immature posts than that one around here, but nobody gets bent out of shape because they realize that for the most part, it's all in good fun. Lighten up.

Laughing at someone's opinion is just straight disrespect, plain and simple. If you don't agree with me, post a counterargument or rebuttal.

It would not be fair for me to provide an analysis on Rose when I only watched him play for half a half. I watched nearly the entire K-State/Texas game.

The one thing I noticed about Rose is that he can get to the hoop but he ends up under the hoop which means he can't attempt a shot and he leaves his feet to kick out to the open shooter.
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Post#109 » by TheFranchise21 » Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:16 pm

I think the best comparison for Derrick Rose would be Stephon Marbury.

Both are excellent off the dribble. Both are good scorers, although Rose is more of a pass first guy and Steph is more shoot first. Both have decent jumpers but are prone to go through hot and cold spells. I think both can hit the three, but at the NBA level, Rose will be shooting about 30-35% from 3PT land.
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Post#110 » by revprodeji » Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:19 pm

I have yet to see Rose make the drive-dish passing that Starbury made when he was here.

Jump shooting can be taught.
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Post#111 » by horaceworthy » Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:34 pm

I hadn't seen the crazy drive and dish ability from Rose either, until last Saturday. He was making some flat out ridiculous passes in the second half. It was the first time that his court vision actually wowed me, as well as the angles he was throwing them from. I'd still like to see him drawing more defenders away from the basket and dishing to a guy underneath the basket (like Marbury did when he got Dean Garrett paid) instead of kicking it out to the 3 point line.

His jumper's streaky right now, but it shows promise. He has good mechanics and shows good balance when going up for it. He looked a lot better finishing around the basket than he had when I'd seen him previously, too. It was the first time that he seemed Wade-like around the basket, using the backboard, pump faking, creating space, it was very encouraging.

I still think that he's the only guy with a chance to knock Beasley off the #1 spot, but he's either going to have to maintain his level of play that he showed against Tennessee or Beasley's going to have to fall off a bit (or else Rose is going to have to step it up even more).
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Post#112 » by Klomp » Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:12 pm

I think my comp for DRose is Devin Harris
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Post#113 » by revprodeji » Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:19 pm

4 guard rotation of Rose/Bassy/Foye/Shad seems like a logjam. Problem with minutes and would get worse when we add a Jaric also.

Which means if we draft Rose we likely lose Bassy. Which upsets me. Or we trade FOye, who has limited value right now. Plus, we could use a vet pg to teach Rose/FOye/Bassy.

i know "need" is a wrong way to draft, but personally I hope we draft a 3 or a 5. (beasley works in this for me) The backcourt seems fine, Al said he wants a big body for help, lets get him that.
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Post#114 » by revprodeji » Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:21 pm

klomp44 wrote:I think my comp for DRose is Devin Harris


Not a chance. Harris was not drafted as a pure pg, nor does he have anything near the finishing ability or overall strength of Rose.

starbury w/o the attitude is a good comparison.

Harris could be your Mayo reference, but Mayo has a better jumper.
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Post#115 » by karch34 » Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:58 pm

revprodeji wrote:4 guard rotation of Rose/Bassy/Foye/Shad seems like a logjam. Problem with minutes and would get worse when we add a Jaric also.

Which means if we draft Rose we likely lose Bassy. Which upsets me. Or we trade FOye, who has limited value right now. Plus, we could use a vet pg to teach Rose/FOye/Bassy.

i know "need" is a wrong way to draft, but personally I hope we draft a 3 or a 5. (beasley works in this for me) The backcourt seems fine, Al said he wants a big body for help, lets get him that.


I agree Rose does mean a big log jam at guard. I doubt we get a draft pick high enough for this to be an issue, but it's a tough call as Bassy, Foye and Shad have all shown flashes (last night great example of what they could do) and we have more glaring needs elsewhere. That said if Rose is a Chris Paul type talent, you have to take him, but hopefully it works out that the BPA also fits our need at 3 or 5.
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Post#116 » by Worm Guts » Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:09 pm

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but hopefully it works out that the BPA also fits our need at 3 or 5.


Hopefully we get a top pick and draft the the best player available. I'd be ecstatic if we got Rose.
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Post#117 » by Worm Guts » Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:12 pm

karch34 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I doubt we get a draft pick high enough for this to be an issue.


When you have the 2nd worst record getting the 2nd pick wouldn't really be considered doubtful.
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Post#118 » by Klomp » Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:06 pm

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Okay, back to on topic. I'm kinda hopin for Lopez

I could see the first 3 picks being

Memphis-Beasley
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Post#119 » by deeney0 » Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:07 pm

Gotta draft best player available, and I'm pretty set right now on 1. Beasley 2. Rose. After that it's wide open, and the tournament is really going to help us sort out who's for real. If that happens to be Mayo or Gordon to add to our crowded guard rotation, I'm O.K. with that. Hopefully it will be one of the big men.
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Post#120 » by Klomp » Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:12 pm

If we don't resign Telfair and we draft Rose (and are committed to Foye as offguard), I would love to sign Duhon as a vet influence.
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