Shawn Marion VS Ron Artest

CB4MiamiHeat · Post #21 » by **CB4MiamiHeat** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:45 am

Marion is a great help defender and very versatile but Artest is better on defense..i think hes one of the best perimeter defenders ever, if he played in the 90s it would be more clear.

Marion is better offensively cause of the way he gets his points...he gets putbacks and moves well off the ball, he doesnt waste possesions and doesnt need plays ran for him.

sackings916 · Post #22 » by **sackings916** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:02 am

CB4MiamiHeat wrote:Marion is a great help defender and very versatile but Artest is better on defense..i think hes one of the best perimeter defenders ever, if he played in the 90s it would be more clear.

Marion is better offensively cause of the way he gets his points...he gets putbacks and moves well off the ball, he doesnt waste possesions and doesnt need plays ran for him.

How does Marion not having plays ran for him make him better offesnsively? IMO it hurts him because he is not CAPABLE of scoring 1 on 1 consistently. Basically teams dont call plays for Marion because he cant produce that way.

Post #23 » by **Nolan** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:21 am

Patterns wrote:If you want a player for one season to win you a championship, you take Artest. If you want a long-term player who will be part of your core, you take Marion.

Artest>Marion as a player though.

Artest has never won a championship or had alot of sucess in the playoffs.

I'll take Marion easily.

Wade2k6 · Post #24 » by **Wade2k6** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:29 am

sackings916 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

How does Marion not having plays ran for him make him better offesnsively? IMO it hurts him because he is not CAPABLE of scoring 1 on 1 consistently. Basically teams dont call plays for Marion because he cant produce that way.

Because he doesn't need an offense built around him for him to be effective offensively. It isn't that he isn't capable of it, he's just put in situations where he doesn't need to be the focal point.

Ex: Playing with Nash, Amare and Wade

Wade2k6 · Post #25 » by **Wade2k6** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:33 am

I don't think it should be overlooked that Marion has missed all of 12 games since '00 too. That's what, not even 2 games a year? That's an incredible feat by itself.

PaKwAn · Post #26 » by **PaKwAn** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:51 am

Nolan wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Artest has never won a championship or had alot of sucess in the playoffs.

I'll take Marion easily.

Umm neither has Marion won a championship and he usually disappears during big playoff games.

CB4MiamiHeat · Post #27 » by **CB4MiamiHeat** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:24 am

sackings916 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

How does Marion not having plays ran for him make him better offesnsively? IMO it hurts him because he is not CAPABLE of scoring 1 on 1 consistently. Basically teams dont call plays for Marion because he cant produce that way.

my bad i meant hes a better fit offensively for a stacked championship team..where he doesnt need the ball in his hands..just getting his points of putbacks and moving off the ball..which is rare.

Artest is much better as a 1st option.

Ballings7 · Post #28 » by **Ballings7** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:38 am

Ron Artest.

Better overall defensive player, and significantly more accomplished there.

Much better overall offensive player, in terms of ability (not just scoring-wise, too). Can legitimately play point-foward, and has with consistency over his career.

Marion's a better athlete and rebounder. But Ron is still no slouch as a rebounder.

As finishers, between the two, both have their stronger and lesser areas.

Artest is a mis-match on both ends of floor from game to game, in multiple ways.

Marion, as has been displayed numerous times over the years can be contained pretty well. Because in a half-court offense he's simple and limited, and is a semi-reliable self-offensive player.

Ron's contract is, will be better, and Artest isn't looking for franchise/superstar player money. Marion's worth low double-digit million per year.

Bpth are very different big small fowards.

Post #29 » by **Nolan** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:48 pm

PaKwAn wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Umm neither has Marion won a championship and he usually disappears during big playoff games.

Marion hasn't won one but he's been alot closer. He usally disappears on offense mainly because he was a third option on offense, the Suns never ran plays for him.

Post #30 » by **tkb** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:55 pm

Artest is the better player when both are being utilized the way they should IMO, but Marion is the easier player to fit in. Pretty close IMO.

Ballings7 · Post #31 » by **Ballings7** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:09 am

Ballings7 wrote:Much better overall offensive player, in terms of ability (not just scoring-wise, too). Can legitimately play point-foward, and has with consistency over his career.

Just to add to this, Artest can draw a double team on a consistent basis (as has gone tonight vs. the Hawks, which is what reminded me). Because of his post and driving ability. Then when double-teamed, is effective at getting the ball to others.

Nolan wrote:Marion hasn't won one but he's been alot closer. He usally disappears on offense mainly because he was a third option on offense, the Suns never ran plays for him.

Ron's gotten as far as Marion has, to the conference finals in 2004 with Indiana, taking Detroit to 6 games. Marion's gotten to the CF twice, but still, they've both gone the same distance.

TAI8 · Post #32 » by **TAI8** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:53 am

Artest is easily the better defender. There is no disputing that. I like the way Marion gets his points without any plays specifically called for him. Artest is like the exact opposite. Marion easily.