Ban Howard Mass: The new draft thread

[karch34]

When you have the 2nd worst record getting the 2nd pick wouldn't really be considered doubtful.

True, but the lottery has never really done us any favors and last year Memphis & Boston had the two worst records and wound up picking 4 and 5. So I'm bracing myself for #5.

If Telfair isn't resigned I think Duhon is a nice backup. Plays pretty good D and decent distributor.

[theGreatRC]

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The chances of that happening again to the worst teams aren't very high.

[horaceworthy]

But the chances of us getting screwed in the lottery again are.

[TheFranchise21]

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starbury w/o the attitude is a good comparison.

Ahem.

I'm a bit worried about our luck in the lottery as well. Just last year we lost the coin flip with Portland and Portland ended up with Greg Oden. I know this is a major pipe dream but imagine Oden and Jefferson. Two words: very scary. And then throw in Beasley/Rose.

NVM, if we won the lottery, Durant probably would've been the pick and Garnett would still be here.

OK now that I've waken up from that dream, don't forget the 1992 draft where we had the worst record and got the third pick. Shaq, Zo, Laettner, 'nuff said.

I'm not confident Beasley can play the 3. I don't see him as a guy who can run through multiple screens and then catch and shoot ala Carmelo Anthony. Beasley is built almost exactly like Kenyon Martin. I can't see a guy that big playing the 3. I know LeBron is around that size too but he's a 1 in a million type player.

If we have the 2nd pick and the first pick is Rose, I have no qualms with Beasley being our pick but if we get to choose between the two, I hope its Rose.

[GJC]

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Ahem.

I'm a bit worried about our luck in the lottery as well. Just last year we lost the coin flip with Portland and Portland ended up with Greg Oden. I know this is a major pipe dream but imagine Oden and Jefferson. Two words: very scary. And then throw in Beasley/Rose.

NVM, if we won the lottery, Durant probably would've been the pick and Garnett would still be here.

OK now that I've waken up from that dream, don't forget the 1992 draft where we had the worst record and got the third pick. Shaq, Zo, Laettner, 'nuff said.

I'm not confident Beasley can play the 3. I don't see him as a guy who can run through multiple screens and then catch and shoot ala Carmelo Anthony. Beasley is built almost exactly like Kenyon Martin. I can't see a guy that big playing the 3. I know LeBron is around that size too but he's a 1 in a million type player.

If we have the 2nd pick and the first pick is Rose, I have no qualms with Beasley being our pick but if we get to choose between the two, I hope its Rose.

Franchise who do you envision being in the starting lineup next year/the future?

[Worm Guts]

If we don't resign Telfair and we draft Rose (and are committed to Foye as offguard), I would love to sign Duhon as a vet influence.

Ask Chicago fans what they think of Duhon. It's not good.

[Worm Guts]

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Ahem.

I'm a bit worried about our luck in the lottery as well. Just last year we lost the coin flip with Portland and Portland ended up with Greg Oden. I know this is a major pipe dream but imagine Oden and Jefferson. Two words: very scary. And then throw in Beasley/Rose.

NVM, if we won the lottery, Durant probably would've been the pick and Garnett would still be here.

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If we had got Oden or Durant I think KG would still be here.

[Klomp]

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Ask Chicago fans what they think of Duhon. It's not good.

Sometimes you need to evaluate talent on your own instead of depending on the insight of others. Also, wasn't the majority of the NBA talking about how we got screwed in the Miami trade because Walker was so badly thought of. I think he's exceeded everyones thoughts. Duhon hasn't gotten as much negative publicity, is a better player, so why wouldn't it work?

[Worm Guts]

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Sometimes you need to evaluate talent on your own instead of depending on the insight of others. Also, wasn't the majority of the NBA talking about how we got screwed in the Miami trade because Walker was so badly thought of. I think he's exceeded everyones thoughts. Duhon hasn't gotten as much negative publicity, is a better player, so why wouldn't it work?

Actually Walker has been pretty terrible. The trade was good because of contracts and the draft pick. He's a PF who shoots 36% from the field, 53% from the line and can't rebound.
I really see no reason why we would let Telfair go and then sign Duhon. Duhon is not better than Telfair. There numbers are fairly similar and Telfair is 3 years younger.

[Klomp]

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Actually Walker has been pretty terrible. The trade was good because of contracts and the draft pick. He's a PF who shoots 36% from the field, 53% from the line and can't rebound.
I really see no reason why we would let Telfair go and then sign Duhon. Duhon is not better than Telfair. There numbers are fairly similar and Telfair is 3 years younger.

Money. Like you say, their numbers are similar. However, I think Duhon will sign for a fraction of the price of Telfair. Anyways, back on topic.

[deeney0]

Money is a bad argument, but if Telfair doesn't want to be a bench player, and Wolves either 1) Draft Rose or 2) Decide that Foye is the future PG, it MAY be better to let Bassy go rather than keep him around disenchanted. But I'd probably just pay Telfair - he's not going to command more than MLE, quite possibly less, and all he has to do to make that look like a bargain is improve his jump shot.

[Worm Guts]

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Money. Like you say, their numbers are similar. However, I think Duhon will sign for a fraction of the price of Telfair. Anyways, back on topic.

Telfair is a restricted free agent and no one is going to pay him a lot of money. Duhon and Telfair will make about the same.

[andyhop]

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Ask Chicago fans what they think of Duhon. It's not good.

True to an extent, but a lot of the posters over there on the Bulls board like Duhon as a back up playing 15mins a night they just don't like him clocking the 25 minutes he does now.Its more about how he is used by the coach than him as a player.

[theGreatRC]

Good Beasley video, it's not a mix. It's his coaches talking about him, Beasley talking about himself, and media talking about him.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=O6nfs4bMPqc&feature=related

[theGreatRC]

I like a quotes he said:

"I'd rather be averaging 6 points a game with multiple championships, than average 50 points with no championships."

"I don't think about the NBA right now. I dream about it, but I would be wrong to picture myself on another team when we're trying to win games right now."

[Illuminati]

Stay away from Thabeet, he's the next Kwame in the making. Bad hands.

That beasly video was cool, I like his character.

[Worm Guts]

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True to an extent, but a lot of the posters over there on the Bulls board like Duhon as a back up playing 15mins a night they just don't like him clocking the 25 minutes he does now.Its more about how he is used by the coach than him as a player.

I just don't see why the Wolves would sign Duhon instead of keeping Telfair.

[revprodeji]

Duhon makes no sense with Telfair. We have the restricted on Bassy, he is younger and has experience with this team.

I like the Beasley video. It is strange wondering how he will fit with Al.

Thabeat's lack of bulk and his hands are a concern, also much of his defense is just waiting under the basket and playing goalie. You cannot do that in the NBA.

[TheFranchise21]

Article about Beasley's reluctance for the spotlight.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/s ... id=3269294

College freshman are usually still immature, but once they get into their sophomore junior years is when they really mature. I hope Beasley can mature soon, for his, and possibly our sake.

BTW, just look at that comparison chart (between Beasley and Durant) in the article, specifically the rebounding numbers. It emphasizes exactly what I was talking about earlier regarding Beasley and his rebounding numbers.

Let me reiterate...

Durant was the only player on Texas taller than 6'7 getting significant minutes, thus he was the tallest player on his team on the court for the majority of the time. When you're the tallest player on your team that plays a significant amount of minutes, you SHOULD be getting the most rebounds.

Look at Durant now, he's grabbing 4.2 boards a game. Obviously its only his rookie season and his rebounding numbers will go up (sitting at 6-8 in his prime), but what I'm trying to say is you guys need to look past these gaudy rebounding numbers Beasley is putting up because it isn't likely to translate to the NBA.

The only case anyone on here seems to make for Beasley being the #1 overall pick (which was widely regarded to be our pick until we picked it up recently) was the monstrous double-doubles he was putting up. I'm impressed by Beasley's point total but not his rebounding total. He is nothing special in terms of being a rebounder. He just benefits from being the guy who has to stay near the glass on defense because he is his team's best opportunity at getting defensive rebounds. I'm being picky here but I got laughed at for formulating what was a solid argument.

I have no problem with drafting Beasley to be a 4. I think we'd run into trouble if we try to draft Beasley to be a 3. Al at the 5 seems to work OK even with it not being his natural position. I've lightened up to the idea of Foye and Telfair being our main PGs.

A future lineup of:

Jefferson
Beasley
Brewer
McCants
Foye

Would be nice, but I like:

FA/Draft
Jefferson
Brewer
Foye/McCants
Rose

A lot better.

Brewer cannot create shots for himself. I don't believe Foye can do it for him either. Rose can create shots for Brewer and the center, and we still have two guys who can create shots for themselves (Jefferson and McCants). Rose can get his own shot as well. I see Beasley being somewhat of a defensive liability in the pros, regardless of his position. He's like Amare Stoudemire during his first two years. Excellent on offense, mediocre to bad on defense.

[Worm Guts]

Part of the reason Durant's rebound numbers have dropped so much is because he's playing shooting guard. Beasley is stronger, more athletic and will rebound in the NBA.