UCF Sport Business Program?

[theTHIEF]

this is a fun argument...i'd like to get in on it, but I graduated from Miami...

[N4U|Redux]

this is a fun argument...i'd like to get in on it, but I graduated from Miami...

Go ahead, Miami trumps most of what USF and UCF do, lol

It's hard to tell how much money they actually get in endowments because they're private though, so it's hard to gauge them in that traditional manner.

As far as I've heard though, USF is a "top two" in the state for reseach institutions behind UF (we're real proud of that, despite that not putting us in the top 100 in the country) and top three for expenditures (just recently passed UM in the past year, still behind UF hugely and FSU slightly). Even while I've been a student we've surpassed FSU and UM in that small time frame.

If I stick around for my PhD hopefully we'll only be behind UF in both matters, we need to take down FSU's expenditures though...almost there...

[theTHIEF]

Miami is a good school really, maybe not as strong academically as they could be...I was really pushing for my cousin to play football for them, but he went elsewhere...

at the same time UCF and USF are also very good schools...

[magicfan4life05]

N4U|Redux, you see really informed on this topic and id love to hear your opinion, what do you think of uf vs ucf? This is/was a huge issue for me while ago and is still is (somewhat) but which would you recommend for undergrad for possibly engineering.

[EasternMagic]

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I never said they don't have a sport business program -- I don't even know what the hell that program is so how would I know.

I have a subscription to US News which is one of the de facto standards on top schools, and UCF did not place in their top business schools (neither did USF) -- they did not have a sport business subsection though.

The only place I noticed USF or UCF on any of the lists was in health for USF and in computer engineering for UCF.

Evidently the sport business management school is a great program and you should definitely try to get in there.

P.S. On USF's looks as you mentioned -- it was voted the most aesthetically pleasing architectural school in the state in 2005 I believe it was. Nuff said.

lol im not trying to piss you off im just showing what i read and based my college search on. and thoses rankings werent just about the sports business they were about the business school as a whole. 2005? its 2008 man ucf has changed dramatically. USF isnt a ugly school at all UCF is just a lot further along and after visiting both i would say based on my opinion UCF has a nicer campuse with nicer facilities.

[N4U|Redux]

lol im not trying to piss you off im just showing what i read and based my college search on. and thoses rankings werent just about the sports business they were about the business school as a whole. 2005? its 2008 man ucf has changed dramatically. USF isnt a ugly school at all UCF is just a lot further along and after visiting both i would say based on my opinion UCF has a nicer campuse with nicer facilities.

Yeah, 2005 was so long ago

I would go and research who is the winner now, but it's not yearly they go around and judge the schools because the reason stated above, so I'm not even sure if there is a new winner yet. I'd love to hear how your school has somehow surpassed us in 3 years when we've been having budget cuts and you get ~1/4 the funding that we do (i.e. you cannot afford improvements as much).

[N4U|Redux]

N4U|Redux, you see really informed on this topic and id love to hear your opinion, what do you think of uf vs ucf? This is/was a huge issue for me while ago and is still is (somewhat) but which would you recommend for undergrad for possibly engineering.

I have a bitter hatred for UF, which is the main reason I didn't go there.

At the same time I wanted to stay near home so I was deciding between USF/UCF/UF essentially (FSU was too far). Given that I ruled out UF for stupid bias reasons, after I visited both UCF and USF I decided to go to USF because UCF is poorly funded and USF is one of the most up-and-coming schools in the country both in sports and research funding.

If you do not have a hatred for UF, there isn't much reason to not go there, it's hands down the best school in the state in virtually everything. It's the only school we have in the top 50 overall, and it's the only school that is a tier 1. USF, FSU, and UCF are all tier 3 research universities overall (not quite sure on FSU, but I think it is tier 3).

I'd figure out how close you want to be to home (if either is closer) whether farther or closer, if that isn't too important to you, they're both very large schools, they both have good engineering programs, and they both have a lot of girls and parties (if you're into either of those). UF will get you a lot of reputation if you ever leave the state though.

This is one of the reasons I opted to get a graduate degree, I'm worried about my Florida degree looking like crap outside of the state.

Also, go visit both schools, you don't necessarily need to tour them, but get a feel for the campuses and the student body and such.

BTW - I looked it up for you and UF is the only Florida college ranked in the top 50 for the nation (#26) in engineering schools. It is ahead of schools such as Yale, Duke, and UNC among others. You will not get a better engineering degree in the state. Period. If you have a specific subject you'd like me to look up let me know (i.e. chemical engineering).

[N4U|Redux]

I went and checked out UF/USF/UCF to see which categories the schools were in the top in...I checked business, engineering, health, law, science, and education.

USF and UCF were not ranked in anything except for education. USF was #48, UCF was #58. That's it. FSU was only ranked in education and law, which it placed at #53 in both. Miami was #56 in law, and #70 in medicine; nothing else.

UF was ranked in the top 50 for every program I checked.

[N4U|Redux]

Also checked the avg starting salary for the business schools in FL of those above. You UCF fans will notice something else which correlates well with your lack of funding and UF/UM's great funding.

um: 65k
uf: 66k
fsu: n/a
ucf: 53k
usf: n/a

I didn't notice the avg. starting salary for engineering colleges, but lets just say I'd make more than those numbers above if I worked full time and I haven't even graduated with my grad degree.

I would post the PDFs with these figures, but I pay for these, and am pretty sure I'm not allowed to release them in that case.

[magicfan4life05]

N4U|Redux, i really dont know how to thank you for your time looking up all that information and giving me a very informative post. thanks a lot. btw where do you find these great stats about colleges? i am currently pursuing civil engineering and just like you stated, "You will not get a better engineering degree in the state. Period."

It's not so much my decision on which to attend, primarily because of family/sibling situations who went there and really want me to go there because they feel it's the best, but i'm most afraid about the academic intensity there and the how far it is from home (orlando). But everyone tells me, in the end it will be so well worth it and it's an amazing opportunity. It's still very tough on me though.

[N4U|Redux]

N4U|Redux, i really dont know how to thank you for your time looking up all that information and giving me a very informative post. thanks a lot. btw where do you find these great stats about colleges? i am currently pursuing civil engineering and just like you stated, "You will not get a better engineering degree in the state. Period."

It's not so much my decision on which to attend, primarily because of family/sibling situations who went there and really want me to go there because they feel it's the best, but i'm most afraid about the academic intensity there and the how far it is from home (orlando). But everyone tells me, in the end it will be so well worth it and it's an amazing opportunity. It's still very tough on me though.

If you want to stay near home, you may want to just go to UCF. If you're uncomfortable in your college experience you won't enjoy it.

I did the same thing, I was accepted to very good schools (i.e. LSU, NYU) but opted to stay near home.

The intensity...well I don't know if there's a difference, my guess is that UF is harder overall, but if you have confidence in yourself don't worry about it.

BTW - UF is tied for #26 in the civil engineering subcategory of engineering. No other FL school places in the top 100 for that (sub, or not) category.

And, I get my stats from USNews.com, it's one of the defacto standards for evaluating schools -- another popular one is the princetonreview.com -- they have more free material, I used to subscribe to USNews, but it runs out soon, so if anyone else has questions let me know before it expires! Anyway, give them both a look around.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandrevie ... _brief.php
http://princetonreview.com/home.asp

[N4U|Redux]

For those wondering, here's some free stats on the big schools in FL.

FSU ($353,863,562): http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandrevie ... _brief.php
USF ($329,832,102): http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandrevie ... _brief.php
UM ($620,434,940): http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandrevie ... _brief.php
UF ($820,654,000): http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandrevie ... _brief.php
UCF ($82,164,225): http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandrevie ... _brief.php
FAU ($183,184,395):
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandrevie ... _brief.php

EDIT: Annotated the funding next to the university names.

[EasternMagic]

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Yeah, 2005 was so long ago

I would go and research who is the winner now, but it's not yearly they go around and judge the schools because the reason stated above, so I'm not even sure if there is a new winner yet. I'd love to hear how your school has somehow surpassed us in 3 years when we've been having budget cuts and you get ~1/4 the funding that we do (i.e. you cannot afford improvements as much).

well we have a brand new stadium a brand new basketball arena a few newer buildings a huge 250000 telescope for astronomy, greenhouses, a really nice student union (which when i went to USF they didnt even have one). so im not up to date on funding numbers as well as you are but by seeing what our campus has and what USF has i chose UCF and i still would make that decision

[N4U|Redux]

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well we have a brand new stadium a brand new basketball arena a few newer buildings a huge 250000 telescope for astronomy, greenhouses, a really nice student union (which when i went to USF they didnt even have one). so im not up to date on funding numbers as well as you are but by seeing what our campus has and what USF has i chose UCF and i still would make that decision

I'm not saying you shouldn't have went to UCF, they're both pretty equally mundane schools, lol.

As far as what you've added since 2005 when we won the architectural award -- I don't think it was talking about things like stadiums, I think it was just the general appeal; while obviously shiny stadiums and such add, in general an overall "nice" campus looks nicer than a campus with some many ugly spots and a couple of bright spots (not saying this is the case with UCF).

I'm also not going to go through what we've added in that time, but I can name you at least 5 major installations, but who cares? Logically speaking, who has more opportunity to build? Go visit those links, take a look at how much money you guys get, take a look at what we get. We get 4x more, hence, we probably spend about 4x more on student services, facilities, and overall improvement.

Money buys success in schooling, look at UF as the zenith of such an example. In general UF, FSU, UM are considered the top schools of the state -- they're also the top funded, USF's funding is right around FSU/UM in funding, UCF is horribly lower (again, just take a look, I didn't pull the stats out of thin air). I'll even annotate the amount next to the links so you don't have to even go into the links.

[EasternMagic]

i see what your saying. and i do remember liking the landscaping there a lot... i think it was called the martin luther king jr garden or something like that but i remember that being really cool. my bad on mis understanding. It is kinda of strange that the funding is that low though seeing as it has the most students in the state their gonna have to start rejecting kids a lot more. do you go to USF? i have a few friends who are down there. it seems that our graduating class you either went to USF or UCF

[Devin 1L]

this is a fun argument...i'd like to get in on it, but I graduated from Miami...

I just applied to their law school.

Should I tell 'em who I know?

[theTHIEF]

yes, it will get you into the secret society

[N4U|Redux]

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I just applied to their law school.

Should I tell 'em who I know?

Good job since it's #56 in the country .

You ought to try UF if you want to come to FL too, they're the only good law schools in the state.

[magicfan4life05]

btw why is funding/endowment such a big deal?

[N4U|Redux]

btw why is funding/endowment such a big deal?

Think about it.

#1 it shows that people are willing to give you money. A college is a business just like any other entity -- for instance the department of defense invests in our computer engineering program, and Moffitt cancer invests in our medical schools. These businesses don't give these private funds unless they're confident you'll do whatever research they need on time and with success.

#2 it shows that you can support your student. As cited earlier, there's a huge amount of money that UF could feasibly spend on improving life for students in various ways, whether aesthetics of the schools, new buildings, increased staff, better supplies and facilities, etc. If a school has little budget, they're not going to be able to do these things. So when you see that UCF has roughly 2k per student and UF has roughly 20k you can only imagine the difference in quality of education possible.

#3 finally, the endowments for the PUBLIC (i.e. not Miami) matches up exactly with the general feeling of the quality of the programs. Namely that UF is the best in the state, FSU is the 2nd best, and USF is the 3rd best. UCF is a long 4th best...FAU actually receives more endowments than UCF does for god sakes. So, it's difficult for me to even say UCF is 4th best in the state overall.

There's a reason endowments are listed on the first page of the information about the colleges on those links I gave you, it is almost always the traditional manner in which a school is judged. Other people will bring up incoming student SAT scores and the GPA of students at the college, but that really doesn't matter -- it only shows that you may've gotten smart freshman that slacked off, or that your school is ridiculously easy and hence they got a higher GPA. Endowments are independent of that type of skew and is usually one of the sole ways to judge a university as a whole. Judging specific colleges of each school is usually broken down into more relevant things such as job success after school, starting salary, etc.