Best way to actually balance the leagues talent?
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ilikecb4
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i dont even think the disparity is because of talent..
management..Chicago should be winning the east right now if they were smart enough to make a move for Pau..
but look at the mangers Gms..
west
Pop/Buford
Kerr/Dantoni
Cuban/Donie..
east is filled with guys like
Isiah, Billy King (before he was fired) now Stefanski, Miami's Pat Riley did an absolutely horrible job in the offseason, Paxson was slow on the trigger....and the list goes on..
management..Chicago should be winning the east right now if they were smart enough to make a move for Pau..
but look at the mangers Gms..
west
Pop/Buford
Kerr/Dantoni
Cuban/Donie..
east is filled with guys like
Isiah, Billy King (before he was fired) now Stefanski, Miami's Pat Riley did an absolutely horrible job in the offseason, Paxson was slow on the trigger....and the list goes on..
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I had this idea a couple months ago. Why doesn't NBA have a drafting system like soccer leagues do? Basically talent goes to top bidder, and each team is responsible for its own scouting, signings are made in pre-defined time windows at the end of a season and half way through. You can take it one step further, and each team would have its own academy and feeder clubs. The current system is very artificial, meant to help poor teams, at the expense of rich/middle of the pack teams.
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ilikecb4
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Hypz wrote:I had this idea a couple months ago. Why doesn't NBA have a drafting system like soccer leagues do? Basically talent goes to top bidder, and each team is responsible for its own scouting, signings are made in pre-defined time windows at the end of a season and half way through. You can take it one step further, and each team would have its own academy and feeder clubs. The current system is very artificial, meant to help poor teams, at the expense of rich/middle of the pack teams.
'cause the knicks would get all the best players...
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snaquille oatmeal wrote:the "eventually the league will even out" theory is crap.
it was uneven most of the 90's and it has been uneven most of this decade, but hey there were about 2 years in between when it was even.
It's not gonna be exactly the same. No one said it was. But it is cyclical.
Battling ridiculous homers one incredibly biased argument at a time.
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The problem with the East is they have blown all the top picks...
Other than D. Howard...and MAYBE Okafor....
Here are the drafts from 2001-2007 and some mistakes made by East teams. The bolded items show high impact players and their teams:
2001:
First pick: Kwame Brown (bust) to Washington
2nd pick: Tyson Chandler (mediocre at first) to Chicago (Star after going West)
3rd pick: Pau Gasol (Allstar) to Memphis (via Atlanta)
Of the top three picks, the only allstar went to the West.
2002:
First pick: Yao Ming (Allstar ) to Houston
2nd pick: Jay Williams (throw away)
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9th pick: Amare (Allstar) to Phoenex
10th pick: Caron butler (Allstar) to Miami (now Washington)
The two best players in that top 10 went WEST.
2003:
First pick: Lebron (MEGAstar) to Cleveland
2nd pick: Darko (bust) to Detroit
3rd pick: Melo (Superstar) to Denver
4th pick: Bosh (quasi-super) to Toronto
5th pick: Wade (superstar, champ) to Miami
You couldn't have went wrong with this draft. The NBA would have STUNK if any Western Conference teams other than Denver were in the top 5. The East would have sunk away....and Melo passed over by Detroit really cut them short...they would have been GREAT!
2004:
First pick: Dwight (Super)
2nd pick: Emeka (Star)
3rd pick: Gordon (Solid pro)
This wasn't a good enough draft for the East considering they had the top 3...but they made out with one possible future HOFer and he's another reason why the league hasn't been forced to change the format...he's carrying a nice market down there in Orlando...without wich, the East is that much thinner.
2005:
First pick: Bogut (serviceable...not no.1) to Milwaukee
2nd pick: Marvin Williams (still a no-show) to ATL
3rd pick: Deron Williams (Allstar...or should be one) to Utah
4th pick: Chris Paul (Superstar, potential Megastar) to N.O.
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10th pick: Andrew Bynum (future All-star) to L.A.
For all intensive purposes, the top three talents in that draft are in the West. The top two picks were BOTCHED... the real stars fell to the West. Paul an Deron were the better choice for Atlanta, but they made a huge mistake... Bucks had to take the "NBA ready" big....the raw project pick, Andrew Bynum, looks better than the conservative picks from 5-9... Lakers at the right place and right time to take a gamble...and they won.
It gets even better:
2006:
First pick: Andrea Bargniani (too early) to Toronto
2nd pick: Lamarcus Aldridge (Future Star) to Portland (via Chicago)
3rd pick: Adam Morrison (bust) to Charlotte
4th pick: Tyrus Thomas (loser) to Chicago
5th pick: Sheldon Williams (scrub) to Atlanta
6th pick: Brandon Roy (Allstar) to Portland (via Minnesota)
7th pick: Randy Foy (no impact) to Minni (via portland)
Another HORRIBLE draft for the East.... Busts Morrison, Thomas, Williams and raw project Bargniani went East... the gem of the draft, Brandon Roy, went West....and the 2nd best player in this draft, Aldridge, joined him on the same team! Jury is still out on Foye...he could be good....but the East was doomed from the outset...
Continued good luck for the West (especially Portland)....
2007:
First pick: Greg Oden (Potential Allstar-Superstar) to Portland
2nd pick: Kevin Durant (Potential Allstar-Superstar) to Seattle
3rd pick: Al Horford (Potential star) to Atlanta
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Others: Green (to Seattle), Noah (to Chicago), Yi (Milwaukee), THornton (L.A.C.)
The two difference makers in this draft went West. The East got a solid future guy in Horford...but he's a lone dude...and not an Allstar.
So as you study the past 6 years of drafting...the East has collectively laid the BIGGEST EGG in sports GMing...
If not for Class of '03 and Dwight, the NBA may have been in talks to change the league format by now...
The West has owned the Draft for the past decade and its due to better talent assessment, and better luck at finding the best players later in the lottery sections.
Other than D. Howard...and MAYBE Okafor....
Here are the drafts from 2001-2007 and some mistakes made by East teams. The bolded items show high impact players and their teams:
2001:
First pick: Kwame Brown (bust) to Washington
2nd pick: Tyson Chandler (mediocre at first) to Chicago (Star after going West)
3rd pick: Pau Gasol (Allstar) to Memphis (via Atlanta)
Of the top three picks, the only allstar went to the West.
2002:
First pick: Yao Ming (Allstar ) to Houston
2nd pick: Jay Williams (throw away)
....
9th pick: Amare (Allstar) to Phoenex
10th pick: Caron butler (Allstar) to Miami (now Washington)
The two best players in that top 10 went WEST.
2003:
First pick: Lebron (MEGAstar) to Cleveland
2nd pick: Darko (bust) to Detroit
3rd pick: Melo (Superstar) to Denver
4th pick: Bosh (quasi-super) to Toronto
5th pick: Wade (superstar, champ) to Miami
You couldn't have went wrong with this draft. The NBA would have STUNK if any Western Conference teams other than Denver were in the top 5. The East would have sunk away....and Melo passed over by Detroit really cut them short...they would have been GREAT!
2004:
First pick: Dwight (Super)
2nd pick: Emeka (Star)
3rd pick: Gordon (Solid pro)
This wasn't a good enough draft for the East considering they had the top 3...but they made out with one possible future HOFer and he's another reason why the league hasn't been forced to change the format...he's carrying a nice market down there in Orlando...without wich, the East is that much thinner.
2005:
First pick: Bogut (serviceable...not no.1) to Milwaukee
2nd pick: Marvin Williams (still a no-show) to ATL
3rd pick: Deron Williams (Allstar...or should be one) to Utah
4th pick: Chris Paul (Superstar, potential Megastar) to N.O.
...
10th pick: Andrew Bynum (future All-star) to L.A.
For all intensive purposes, the top three talents in that draft are in the West. The top two picks were BOTCHED... the real stars fell to the West. Paul an Deron were the better choice for Atlanta, but they made a huge mistake... Bucks had to take the "NBA ready" big....the raw project pick, Andrew Bynum, looks better than the conservative picks from 5-9... Lakers at the right place and right time to take a gamble...and they won.
It gets even better:
2006:
First pick: Andrea Bargniani (too early) to Toronto
2nd pick: Lamarcus Aldridge (Future Star) to Portland (via Chicago)
3rd pick: Adam Morrison (bust) to Charlotte
4th pick: Tyrus Thomas (loser) to Chicago
5th pick: Sheldon Williams (scrub) to Atlanta
6th pick: Brandon Roy (Allstar) to Portland (via Minnesota)
7th pick: Randy Foy (no impact) to Minni (via portland)
Another HORRIBLE draft for the East.... Busts Morrison, Thomas, Williams and raw project Bargniani went East... the gem of the draft, Brandon Roy, went West....and the 2nd best player in this draft, Aldridge, joined him on the same team! Jury is still out on Foye...he could be good....but the East was doomed from the outset...
Continued good luck for the West (especially Portland)....
2007:
First pick: Greg Oden (Potential Allstar-Superstar) to Portland
2nd pick: Kevin Durant (Potential Allstar-Superstar) to Seattle
3rd pick: Al Horford (Potential star) to Atlanta
....
Others: Green (to Seattle), Noah (to Chicago), Yi (Milwaukee), THornton (L.A.C.)
The two difference makers in this draft went West. The East got a solid future guy in Horford...but he's a lone dude...and not an Allstar.
So as you study the past 6 years of drafting...the East has collectively laid the BIGGEST EGG in sports GMing...
If not for Class of '03 and Dwight, the NBA may have been in talks to change the league format by now...
The West has owned the Draft for the past decade and its due to better talent assessment, and better luck at finding the best players later in the lottery sections.
JordansBulls wrote:The league was the strongest in the 90's.
MATT DAMON!!
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JES12 wrote:
And Seattle and Portland is almost the same fan base as they are called the northwest as if they are one in the same anyways. Portlanders route for the Seahawks (some 49ers) and the Mariners. I'm sure Seattle would be fine routing for the Blaizers. Sure there will be some die-hard fans, but no more than any of the other teams that can be cut...like Memphis.
You really have no clue what you're talking about.
Save it.
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The power will eventually shift into the East in the next few years.
Think about it.
Look at the current Power houses in the West:
Spurs
Mavs
Suns
Lakers
Rockets
Hornets
Jazz
Spurs, Mavs, Suns are in a win now mode and have an average of ~3 years before they lose their stars due to age and they are back to being mediocre.
Blazers
Lakers
Hornets
Rockets
Jazz
Five teams that could still be powerhouses in 3+ years, just by looking at their talent right now.
East has Superstars under the age of 30 in Dwight, Lebron, Bosh, and Wade, that's 10+ years of dominating players(If they stay in the East)
Chicago, Miami, Toronto, Charlotte and Atlanta have the talent and picks to become powerhouse teams in the future with their cores and current Rosters.
Boston and Detroit are the only teams with closing windows.
Just give it time, the balance will come, just let the players get old.
Think about it.
Look at the current Power houses in the West:
Spurs
Mavs
Suns
Lakers
Rockets
Hornets
Jazz
Spurs, Mavs, Suns are in a win now mode and have an average of ~3 years before they lose their stars due to age and they are back to being mediocre.
Blazers
Lakers
Hornets
Rockets
Jazz
Five teams that could still be powerhouses in 3+ years, just by looking at their talent right now.
East has Superstars under the age of 30 in Dwight, Lebron, Bosh, and Wade, that's 10+ years of dominating players(If they stay in the East)
Chicago, Miami, Toronto, Charlotte and Atlanta have the talent and picks to become powerhouse teams in the future with their cores and current Rosters.
Boston and Detroit are the only teams with closing windows.
Just give it time, the balance will come, just let the players get old.
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Spykes wrote:The best way imo is to get rid of 4 or 6 teams in the NBA and distribute their players via a random lottery system of some sort. There's too many teams and the talent starts to get stretched thin.
Nope! Don't agree. NBA got even bigger with the influx of international talent. I think what you are saying is you want less teams so you can stack them and have better games! But one is the not the cause of the other. Sometimes we are still under the myth that the 80's teams are infinitely more talented than today's teams. I just don't see that.
