How to get high pick?

Sigra · Post #1 » by **Sigra** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:30 pm

Most of this board will agree that our long term strategy should be to build around Bogut and Yi and draft for potential superstar. Therefore this people are mad that we are aiming for playoffs and first round exit. Mediocrity they say.

But tanking is not the only way to get high pick. Look how Sonics traded Ray Allen for #5 pick where they drafted Green.

I think we can still aim for high pick even if we aim for playoffs this year.

If we make playoffs our guards will look great. That way we increase their value and THEN we can get high pick for them. Good strategy isn't it? Maybe our Bucks did right thing when they didn't make trade at the trade deadline.

Post #2 » by **ReasonablySober** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:36 pm

Sigra wrote:Most of this board will agree that our long term strategy should be to build around Bogut and Yi and draft for potential superstar. Therefore this people are mad that we are aiming for playoffs and first round exit. Mediocrity they say.

But tanking is not the only way to get high pick. Look how Sonics traded Ray Allen for #5 pick where they drafted Green.

I think we can still aim for high pick even if we aim for playoffs this year.

If we make playoffs our guards will look great. That way we increase their value and THEN we can get high pick for them. Good strategy isn't it? Maybe our Bucks did right thing when they didn't make trade at the trade deadline.

Yea, but they got Durant with the #2.

My worry is now that the offense has seemingly worked itself out, we'll win enough games to appear competitive and that'll give the suits enough reason to keep the status-quo this summer.

vlietinho · Post #3 » by **vlietinho** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:38 pm

I voted for option two for the simple reason that I hate tanking :nonono:

Post #4 » by **Ruzious** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:43 pm

I think it's important for the Bucks to try to win this season. They've gotten into a losing mentality, and I'm concerned it's becoming more of a problem than the lack of talent.

Besides that, Tyler Smith seems like a great fit, and according to mocks, he should be available even without tanking. There's a lot of Caron Butler in his game. If he develops a 3 point range, like Caron did this season, he'll be an outstanding player. Btw, speaking of Caron, word in DC is that his injury is more serious than originally believed and may require surgery - which could wipe the Zards from the playoffs picture.

Rockmaninoff · Post #5 » by **Rockmaninoff** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:11 pm

Ruzious wrote:I think it's important for the Bucks to try to win this season. They've gotten into a losing mentality, and I'm concerned it's becoming more of a problem than the lack of talent.

Besides that, Tyler Smith seems like a great fit, and according to mocks, he should be available even without tanking. There's a lot of Caron Butler in his game. If he develops a 3 point range, like Caron did this season, he'll be an outstanding player. Btw, speaking of Caron, word in DC is that his injury is more serious than originally believed and may require surgery - which could wipe the Zards from the playoffs picture.

Yep. Ty Smith looks real good. Along with, Hardin, White, Rush, even a Dorsey - all projected to be taken after the lottery.

Nowak008 · Post #6 » by **Nowak008** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:19 pm

Ruzious wrote:I think it's important for the Bucks to try to win this season. They've gotten into a losing mentality, and I'm concerned it's becoming more of a problem than the lack of talent.

Besides that, Tyler Smith seems like a great fit, and according to mocks, he should be available even without tanking. There's a lot of Caron Butler in his game. If he develops a 3 point range, like Caron did this season, he'll be an outstanding player. Btw, speaking of Caron, word in DC is that his injury is more serious than originally believed and may require surgery - which could wipe the Zards from the playoffs picture.

Damn that sucks. Raytown FTW!

Good for the Bucks though. If we really play well we could get the 6th seed.

showtimesam · Post #7 » by **showtimesam** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:45 pm

I definitely think the Bucks should avoid tanking. Playing well the rest of the season will not only show what players have heart, but increase the trade value of any guys that management deems shouldn't be in the plans, or doesn't compliment each others.

I'm hoping for good basketball and if the bucks make the playoffs, even better.

But I agree, if the bucks suck, they get a high draft pick, but may have a tougher time moving their players.

If they play well, get a worse pick but have assets that look better to other teams.

Sigra · Post #8 » by **Sigra** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:29 pm

showtimesam wrote:I definitely think the Bucks should avoid tanking. Playing well the rest of the season will not only show what players have heart, but increase the trade value of any guys that management deems shouldn't be in the plans, or doesn't compliment each others.

I'm hoping for good basketball and if the bucks make the playoffs, even better.

But I agree, if the bucks suck, they get a high draft pick, but may have a tougher time moving their players.

If they play well, get a worse pick but have assets that look better to other teams.

Yup. That is the point. And like Nowak said we could be as good as #6 in which case we avoid Celtics and Pistons. First round war against Orlando would be my dream.

Nebula1 · Post #9 » by **Nebula1** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:30 pm

Winning is nice, but I wouldn't mind another top 10 pick.

All I really care about is landing a premier SF. Mason has been wonderful in his return, but it's been a problem spot since Glenn Robinson was traded.

Nebula1 · Post #10 » by **Nebula1** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:32 pm

Also, trading Redd is a bad idea. Trading Mo only works if Sessions shows he has something to step into the PG spot.

Kerb Hohl · Post #11 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 11:08 pm

Nebula1 wrote:Also, trading Redd is a bad idea. Trading Mo only works if Sessions shows he has something to step into the PG spot.

What do you plan to do then? Continue to fight for the 6-8 seed every season?

Chapter29 · Post #12 » by **Chapter29** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 11:19 pm

Sigra wrote:Most of this board will agree that our long term strategy should be to build around Bogut and Yi and draft for potential superstar. Therefore this people are mad that we are aiming for playoffs and first round exit. Mediocrity they say.

But tanking is not the only way to get high pick. Look how Sonics traded Ray Allen for #5 pick where they drafted Green.

I think we can still aim for high pick even if we aim for playoffs this year.

If we make playoffs our guards will look great. That way we increase their value and THEN we can get high pick for them. Good strategy isn't it? Maybe our Bucks did right thing when they didn't make trade at the trade deadline.

I would love to move Mo for a top 6 pick or something. Heck I'll move them both for a top pick.

So yes good strategy. Or at least an option. I would consider whatever trades that were available for these 2. And pick the best one.

InsideOut · Post #13 » by **InsideOut** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 11:26 pm

You could have had this same conversation for 14 of the past 16 season. Should we tank or try and get that last playoff spot. Seeing as how these past 16 years we've done both with equal results I doubt it matters what we do. Either way it adds up to not drafting a difference maker and starting next season with a goal of winning 41 games and getting crushed in the 1st round. Of course the east keeps getting worse so maybe in 5 years our 41 wins gets us the 4th seed.

Kerb Hohl · Post #14 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 11:27 pm

You all have to remember that that Bos-Sea trade was somewhat of a special occasion, the Celtics had transformed into a win-now squad.

Out of the top 10 teams potentially in the draft, I can only see the Heat, Knicks, MAYBE Charlotte, and the Bulls potentially wanting one of those guys.

Heat will probably just draft Rose or Beasley instead of trade for Mo and not even mess around with Redd/Mo's contracts.

Knicks I think are finally learning and don't have a huge use for Redd/Mo.

Charlotte probably not either but with MJ I guess they'd think about it.

Chicago probably not because of their financial situation plus their pick won't be that great.

Obviously, any of those other teams could decide to change to win-now mode but I just don't see it right now. I don't even think Minnesota or Seattle have a player that is extremely overpaid that they could package in the deal to match salaries. I can't see us getting a high pick via trade.

Newz · Post #15 » by **Newz** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 11:30 pm

CharlosVllnueva wrote:You all have to remember that that Bos-Sea trade was somewhat of a special occasion, the Celtics had transformed into a win-now squad.

Out of the top 10 teams potentially in the draft, I can only see the Heat, Knicks, MAYBE Charlotte, and the Bulls potentially wanting one of those guys.

Heat will probably just draft Rose or Beasley instead of trade for Mo and not even mess around with Redd/Mo's contracts.

Knicks I think are finally learning and don't have a huge use for Redd/Mo.

Charlotte probably not either but with MJ I guess they'd think about it.

Chicago probably not because of their financial situation plus their pick won't be that great.

Obviously, any of those other teams could decide to change to win-now mode but I just don't see it right now. I don't even think Minnesota or Seattle have a player that is extremely overpaid that they could package in the deal to match salaries. I can't see us getting a high pick via trade.

The Knicks are learning?

If they traded for either Redd or Mo they would automatically become the best player on that team...

Kerb Hohl · Post #16 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 11:33 pm

LukePliska wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

The Knicks are learning?

If they traded for either Redd or Mo they would automatically become the best player on that team...

It wouldn't help them though long-term. They already have a slew of crappy offense-only players at the 1 and 2 positions, why would they want one or two that are signed for longer? I think someone pointed out in the Randolph deal that they are shooting for clean books in 2010 or 2011 when a FA class comes out with about 8 superstars.

Plus, I think Kiki might be their GM soon according to RealGM and he isn't that stupid either.

I know the Knicks have been dumb before but what good does it do them to add Redd or Mo and give up a top 5 pick? At least in the Curry one it was before the season and they were assuming they'd be better than a bottom feeder.

EDIT: Maybe "the Knicks are learning" was a bad choice of words but whoever their GM is at that point won't be in the Ainge position of "this trade is going to put us over the top" like Allen was with Pierce and they already knew that the KG trade was on its way as well. Maybe they'd be stupid enough to give back some overpaid crap like James or Rose or something plus their pick for Mo or Redd but I just don't think, even with as dumb as they have been, that they would be stupid enough to make that trade.