Butler Has Torn Labrum In Left Hip

Post #21 » by **Ruzious** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:25 pm

I've never even heard of an athlete being sidelined by this type of injury. It could only happen to the Wizards.

Btw, Ernie - lesson learned - Don't go into a season purposely short-handed ever again. You're not going to have 5 healthy players left. You've done some smart things, but this was a dumb thing that's come back to potentially kill the team.

Zerocious · Post #22 » by **Zerocious** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:29 pm

dumbest thing was not to sign more players to 10 day contracts to take the pressure of the healthy players

Ji · Post #23 » by Ji » Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:12 pm

typical

Soup's Uncle · Post #24 » by **Soup's Uncle** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:37 pm

this is awful...well...I hope Gil sits and we can get a lottery pick at this point...

Wiz99 · Post #25 » by **Wiz99** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:46 pm

Let's tank, get Beasley.

Soup's Uncle · Post #26 » by **Soup's Uncle** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:04 pm

How far could we really drop at this point though. I think the best we could get is probably btwn 8 & 12 (where we should take either a playmaker or a point guard who can come in and make immediate impact).

Post #27 » by **Ruzious** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:15 pm

Soup's Uncle wrote:this is awful...well...I hope Gil sits and we can get a lottery pick at this point...

At this point, I gotta wonder if Gil will have anything left - even if he does try to come back. But it would be good to have your avatar gain some starting playoff experience.

Post #28 » by **LyricalRico** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:37 pm

Wow, Caron will probably need surgery. AD will also need surgery on his ankle at some point and Stevenson will likely need to have his grapefruit-sized knee scoped if he keeps playing on it.

I say have everybody get surgery now so that they'll be ready for camp next year or at least be healthy enough to trade. See what you really have in the kiddies and get a lottery pick out of it. Lineup for the rest of the year:

Haywood/Pecherov
Blatche/Songaila
Jamison/McGuire
Young/McGuire
Mason/Young

JWizmentality · Post #29 » by **JWizmentality** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:41 pm

We're not getting a good pick if we tank. Everybody shut it down for the rest of the season and get healthy for next year. The young guns could use some playoff experience and atleast Twan knows how to play there.

Post #30 » by **jmrosenth** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:11 pm

Team isn't going to sniff the playoffs without Caron or Gil (and a hurting Stevenson and Daniels). Even in the East.

I've never heard of a torn labrum in a hip, either. A torn labrum seems to be most common in pitchers' arms.

Who needs a medical degree when you have the Wizards to follow?

fishercob · Post #31 » by **fishercob** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:50 pm

Ruzious wrote:I've never even heard of an athlete being sidelined by this type of injury. It could only happen to the Wizards.

Btw, Ernie - lesson learned - Don't go into a season purposely short-handed ever again. You're not going to have 5 healthy players left. You've done some smart things, but this was a dumb thing that's come back to potentially kill the team.

It's reasonably common among hockey players and golfers -- where you have intense twisting.

My experience as I had intense pain when I tried certain movements, but walking around I was fine. The other thing was I had no strength against certain types of resistance. Standing, I'd lift one knee so that my thigh was parallel to the ground, forming a 90 degree angle with my lower leg. When the PT pushed down on it, I had zero strength to resist. It was just bizarre.

The excruciated pain was lying on my back on the PT table with my knees bent and trying to push them open while the therapist pushed them closed.

Anyhow, this isn't good, but it isnt necessarily worse than it was a week ago.

RickRoll_inDC · Post #32 » by **RickRoll_inDC** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:55 pm

why not tank? we aren't going to win much with only Jamison, and we'll be too far gone by the time Gil gets back. so i would just sit Gil and Caron for the rest of the year, and call it quits. Heck, maybe even have AD and DSteve done too. The young guys can get some PT now and show what they can do and get some experience. Wood and Jamison can be the leadership out there and try to develop the new guys. maybe we'd have to bring back Donnell Taylor or something just to still have a bench though.

Haywood/Pecherov
Blatche/Songaila
Jamison/DMac
Young/Taylor/DMac
Mason/Taylor

the frontcourt still looks great, and we might still have a chance if both Young and Mason are hot.

does a spurs team w/o the admiral sound familiar? they tanked because of that and look what happened, Tim Duncan.

we could easily get a lottery pick in the top 10 and pickup an Eric Gordon or if we get really lucky a Michael Beasley

NEXT YEAR:
Haywood/Blatche/Thomas
Jamison/DMac/Songaila
Butler/Stevenson
Gordon/Young
Arenas/Daniels

(either that or switch Beasley with Gordon and then switch Beasley and Butler's spots)
the second unit could win some games by themselves

Spence · Post #33 » by **Spence** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:57 pm

I blame Eddie Jordan for this injury. :wink:

MOrgil · Post #34 » by **MOrgil** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:02 pm

Somebody please contact Ernie Grunfeld and tell him to hire a new medical staff :banghead:

Higga · Post #35 » by **Higga** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:05 pm

Being a D.C. sports fan sucks.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #36 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:06 pm

I said over a week ago this reminds me of Bo Jackson.

Well, that really sucks.

Caron's a great guy and I'm sorry for him and the Wizards.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #37 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:09 pm

clubbing_caveman wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Not trying to defend our crack medical staff that has missed many a diagnosis, but perhaps we should not be too harsh being that this one is a tough diagnosis...no sign or symptoms...

No.

If I can guess Bo Jackson injury those sorry doctors should have ruled this out first.

The medical staff blows.

Post #38 » by **Curtis Lemansky** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:13 pm

any info on how long he will be out_?

Dat2U · Post #39 » by **Dat2U** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:16 pm

Spence wrote:I blame Eddie Jordan for this injury.

Actually you do have a point

but it's not really related to Caron specifically.

This really should come as a surprise to no one. We go through this same crap almost every year where a player either gets mis-diagnosed, doesn't get diagnosed at all until its too late or comes back to soon from injury.

Just this year we've experienced issues with Gil, Pech and now Caron in terms of their recovery.

My gripes with EJ this season mainly focus on playing AD 46 minutes against the Clippers right after he missed a number of games and playing Gil 40 minutes a night to start the season.

With a coach like EJ who likes to ride his guys until the wheels fall off, it makes having a competent medical staff even more important.

You'd think EG at some point would notice what the f- is going on here and look to make some changes. Until he does the Wizards are going to continue to short-change their playoff hopes every year. Why invest millions in these athletes if the Wizards are going to continue to undercut their success by continuing to have this crack medical staff treat them?

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #40 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:21 pm

There's no need to tank. Antonio is probably the next to go down for a bunch of games. Him or Stevenson. Stevenson would be missed for sure. (AD I don't think is helping at this point).

If the Wizards don't get something going they'll fall out of the playoffs behind Philly, Atlanta, New Jersey, and Chicago anyway.

I think this season's toast, either way.