Marv

[conleyorbust]

I've been thinking about this for a while, this is not a reaction to last night's game, would we be better off trading Marv so we don't have to worry about his contract extension in the future?

I see Marv topping out at a Richard Jefferson level, does that mean we will have to pay him RJ money? Will Marv ever develop range on his jumper and turn into the elite defender you'd hope he could be with his size/quickness?

I'd almost rather trade him this summer and pursue a defender with range for the SF spot and get a backup guard and big man out of Marv.

[Rip2137]

I said this before that I would rather retain both Smith and chilldress and get rid of Marvin.

First, it leaves more lineup flexability. If you have to get a bigger Center later and shift the lineup, you would have to sacrafice either Smoove or Marvin. Of those two, Smoove gives us too much defensively to move so I would move Marvin to the bench.

Well, Marvin is going to command more money than a 6th man should be getting honestly.

I suggested a Marvin for Mike Miller and picks trade(and of course the stuff to make the salaries match) becuase Mike Miller is a guy that has experience at being a damn good bench player, is a shooter and can get to the free throw line better than people would expect.

Marvin has the tools to be a 25 point per game scorer in the NBA. I also do think that he is going to be a damn fine defender. But I also think having superiour talent at the same position is kinda a waste. As good as I think he is going to be, to make this a more complete team I do think he is the one to sacrafice and use him to fit needs for the team.

[LL Cool Scott]

I said this before that I would rather retain both Smith and chilldress and get rid of Marvin.
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Marvin has the tools to be a 25 point per game scorer in the NBA. I also do think that he is going to be a damn fine defender. But I also think having superiour talent at the same position is kinda a waste. As good as I think he is going to be, to make this a more complete team I do think he is the one to sacrafice and use him to fit needs for the team.

Couldn't agree more - I know he has room to grow, but Horford and Smith would create enormous matchup problems and 4 and 3 respectively. He still has a TON of trade value, I'd love to see us turn him into something the team could really use. I think we play better with him on the bench personally.

[Infamous30622]

I wonder if atlanta thru in a '10 first rounder if milwaukee would part with charlie v and bogut for marvin and zaza.

I would do it in a second this summer, you could sign scott pollard to play some center and be vastly improved inside.

[conleyorbust]

Even if we go with the current set up with Al at the 5 and Smith at the 4. Having another deep shooter would open things up a lot more for Josh because he is so dangerous from the high post on the all too rare occasions we get him the ball to start the set from there. If we had 3 guys to space the floor, I think Josh in the high post and Al in the low post could be absolutely devastating. Marv is great as a slasher and midrange shooter, but if we aren't going to feature him as the primary scorer I don't really like how that fits in.

That being said, there is still a chance he adds some range and gets better with the pull-up J in which case he could be absolutely nasty. I just don't see the killer instinct in him though.

[D21]

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I see Marv topping out at a Richard Jefferson level, does that mean we will have to pay him RJ money?...

I don't see why he would have the same salary. why ? because at the moment the Nets signed Jefferson's extension, he already had proved he can help them going to NBA Finals (2003). At this point, Marvin did not help to go to the Playoffs.

[Rip2137]

Yeah, but thats using common sense logic and not nba GM logic. NBA GM logic got Rashard Lewis over 100 million dollars. And Juawn Howard. And I could do this for a while, but at the end of the day, numbers impress people and if he puts up RJ numbers, he is going to get RJ money.

[conleyorbust]

Yeah, but thats using common sense logic and not nba GM logic. NBA GM logic got Rashard Lewis over 100 million dollars. And Juawn Howard. And I could do this for a while, but at the end of the day, numbers impress people and if he puts up RJ numbers, he is going to get RJ money.

Right, especially if you consider his age/size/shooting ability/hype, it seems unlikely you get Marv for a bargain basement price. Also, look at the market. This season we might get lucky because there aren't a whole bunch of teams with cap room, however it looks like quite a few teams are going to have some cap room at the end of next season and Marv might be a pretty "in demand" second option for them. His qualifying offer is also pretty high if I'm not mistaken (around 7?) and he certainly won't be had for just that.

[JoshB914]

I remeber a couple of months ago no one wanted to trade Marvin for Tayshaun Prince. How things change...

[Rip2137]

Who said they wouldn't take that trade???


Everyone who said so should be ashamed. I didn't think the Pistons would make that deal at all.

[HoopsGuru25]

Tayshaun Prince was not even in the NBA at Marvin's age.

[Rod700]

In deciding if we should keep Chill instead of Marv, I'd consider 3 things:

1. Who plays better defense overall?
2. How much cheaper will Chill be than Marv?
3. Is that difference in price worth giving up the Marv's potential for what he could develop into since he is only 21? (will be 22 this offseason)

I think we can sign Marv for not too much more than Chill when the time comes since they have similiar numbers at this point. Marv is very young though and could have a big upside. I think we have to part with Chill. What do you guys think about how their defense compares over the course of the season and how that plays in though?

[Rip2137]

I totally expect Marvin to be almost at 20 points per game next year. I think his price, with his age and potential and the fact that this team, with a full offseason to mesh with Bibby will be a pretty good seed next year will definately drive up his cost.

Alot of teams are clearing space now to make a Dwayne Wade, Lebron run, but when those guys are gone, there are going to be alot of teams with alot of money to throw around. This season, not so much. No one is going to invest that much money in Chill when they can save it for a better free agent class the next season.

I think that if you stop putting Chill on point guards, he is a good defender. I think Marvin has the tools and ability to be a better defender, and will be the better all around player(all-star caliber). HOwever, I think that either a back up shooter or a starting big man would be more valuable to this team than just Marvin.

We can probably keep chill at almost half the cost and he can head up a stronger bench which is what we would need more going forward to get better as a team.

Or if you could get a strong shooter off the bench or backup big for Chill, that would be a good deal too, I just think you would get a better quality player for Marvin and chill wouldn't give you too much of a drop of in production at a cheaper price.

[JoshB914]

There was a thread here a little bit ago with a trade centered around Prince and Marv and our board was split on it.

[HoopsGuru25]

There was a thread here a little bit ago with a trade centered around Prince and Marv and our board was split on it.

The bad part is that people were split on it and not totally against it. Prince is 6 years older than Marvin and isn't significantly better now. The chances of him being better in Marvin in 2-3 years are very unlikely. I'm sure Grizzlies fans had second thoughts about trading Shane Battier and Lakers fans had second thoughts about not trading for Kidd. You don't trade Marvin for someone 6 years older who plays the same position unless it's for some one significantly better....not for a good defender who scores 13 ppg on 44% from the floor.

[JoshB914]

I disagree, I think Prince is better now and for the next three years than Marvin will ever be.

[HoopsGuru25]

You think Prince at 30 is going to be better than Marvin at 24? Do you realize that Prince didn't graduate from college until he was 22 and didn't start a game for the Pistons until he was 23? Marvin is still only 21. I will be very suprised if Prince is better than Marvin in 2 years.

[JoshB914]

Yes, I think Prince for the next three years is better than Marv will ever be. Easily. I think he easily puts up better numbers than Marvin (plus he's a muuuch better defender) over the next three or four seasons. Marvin has not shown the ability to reach the level of Prince regardless of age. Nothing against Marv though, he will be a nice player.

[BMF Jet Jaguar]

YO were not contenders yet

why trade marvin(21 years old) for Mike miller or tayshawn prince??

[HMFFL]

Marvin's not going to see Jefferson money until he ventures out to the 3 lines and shows he's capable of knocking it down. So, at this point I feel Marvin is still needed that hole filled, and I hope he's shooting as many as possible at practice.