Butler Has Torn Labrum In Left Hip

[Wiz99]

I don't want to sound defeatist, because for sure I'd love to see Les Wiz surprise someone in the 1st round. But I would hate to risk permanent injury to Caron or Gil by making them come back too early.

This was not a championship team before all the injuries. You can debate that, but we definitely won't be a contender if Gil or Caron are permanently hobbled by forcing an early come back.

If this had happened about two weeks ago (i.e. before the trade deadlines), I would have proposed shipping Jamison for multiple first round picks, put Gil and Caron out to pasture to get completely healthy, let the young guns get seasoned, and tank, tank, tank for Michael Beasley.

[OK, now you can call me defeatist...]

[Joe_Wiz]

I'm not ready to give up quite yet. I don't want to deliberately tank. But neither do I want to see Caron or Gilbert rush back. If that means they're both back in a week, that's great. If that means neither is back this season, then OK, reduce AD's and AJ's minutes (a lot) when that becomes clear. In the mean time, keep trying to hold down the fort until they get back.

[hands11]

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It is odd the way EJ brings back players. There's no break him in easy period. It's 40 minutes a game from the get-go. He did that with Gil and Caron - and now... here we are. Not blaming anyone, but that's an unusual thing that EJ's done, and both times... ya know.

Again. Get ride of EJ. He is part of the problem.

This is just one ( but a very important one - maybe the most important ) issue with having him in charge.

MAX Mins - GA, CB, AJ top 10 in league
MAX Mins off injuries
Slow to adjust with injuries
Under developed 2nd tier players as a result of Max Mins for starters
Line ups
Rotations
Crappy Offense - 10 seconds of wasted time on a weave
Crappy D - needed to hired help and still worst in league on 3D
Small Ball - took forever and limited players for us to see AB/BH

3 years of decline and maybe no playoffs.

How much more do you really need to see?

[Soup's Uncle]

I'd say don't purposely tank, but shut Gil and Caron down for the year, and give the young guns the bulk of the minutes. We may not win a ton, but come next year, Noodles and Proof should have a ton of experience, and we may just get a nice draft pick out of it.

I'm worried that Tawn and Gil (especially Gilbert) won't want to come back after this whole thing though.

[hands11]

man, this sucks. but let's not throw in the towel yet. it might actually be better for the team to get some actual info, i'm sure the constant day-to-day was messing with them, too. now they know what their roles will be for the next few weeks and will hopefully be able to relax and get some wins, especially once they come home.

if caron can rehab and come back after 3-4 weeks off, then fine. if he's not right and needs surgery, that's obviously how you have to go. like has been said, if they can sneak into the playoffs and have caron and gilbert right in april -- and i do mean 100% right -- then they could be one of those "teams nobody wants to face in the first round."

So now we will ( by need not choice ) have to play the youngs a lot more.

I would focus the offense a lot more on NY, AB and BH but so have been obvious by now. Ride you healthy player so we dont get more of these injuries pilling up.

[gowiz999]

I'd say there is a decent possibility that both Gil and Caron won't come back this season. Without both we are the worst team in the league. No point in the playoffs at that point.

[Wizards2Lottery]

Our mother effing medical staff strikes again.

Why can't these noobs do a good friggin diagnosis without completely **** everything up.

Better yet how the F did they graduate with medical degrees?

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[Wizards2Lottery]

The only silver lining is Gilbert coming back soon and Blatche getting more reps as a starter.

I won't rest easy even if a timetable is given. When was the last time a Wiz player returned to the court when he was scheduled to?

[Brenice]

Ballers want to play. They don't worry about next year. They worry about the present. Gilbert and Caron are ballers. Both will play this season if possible because just like this year, next year ain't promised. The team could be broken up. Who knows. But, what it all comes down to, the ballers on the team think they have enough to represent the east. Unless you do an extreme makeover for next year, the predictions, forecasts, and hopes will be the same. To represent the east, not win the championships unless something really dramatic happens to the west. They will be back this year!

[DCZards]

This talk of "tanking" gives me the creeps. It sounds too much like you're suggesting that the team--and its fans--just give up or quit trying to win games.

No professional athlete would quit, at least not one that I would root for, and, as a fan, I don't believe in giving up on or quitting on the team and players that I root for.

[dobrojim]

Our mother effing medical staff strikes again.

Why can't these noobs do a good friggin diagnosis without completely **** everything up.

Better yet how the F did they graduate with medical degrees?

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Again

why is this the medical staff's fault? No one is happy about it
but come on. What specific knowledge do you have that anyone
on our med staff effed up?

[Wizards2Lottery]

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Again

why is this the medical staff's fault? No one is happy about it
but come on. What specific knowledge do you have that anyone
on our med staff effed up?

Past history should be a pretty good indicator of how terrible this medical staff is. Why is it a co-incidence that these things always occur with us almost every year weather its to scrubs like Larry and Jarvis or stars ike Caron and Gil?

[DCZards]

3 years of decline and maybe no playoffs.

How much more do you really need to see?

Decline? The record will show that the Zards, when healthy, have been a very good team over the past season and a half. It's sad that you can't accept the fact that a team playing without one (often both) of its two top players during most of that period is going to lose more games than it wins.

I, too, wish they could win more games relying heavily on DSong, Blatche, Young, Mason, Pech and MacGuire, but it's hard to be surprised (or overly disappointed) when they don't.

[dobrojim]

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Past history should be a pretty good indicator of how terrible this medical staff is. Why is it a co-incidence that these things always occur with us almost every year weather its to scrubs like Larry and Jarvis or stars ike Caron and Gil?

It seems to me you're thinking in a vacuum as if we were the only team
in the league to suffer injuries. Like last year, many here tried
to argue that we were injury-bit when in fact we suffered what
was a pretty average number of games lost compared to the rest
of the league.

I love me some Tough Juice but it's starting to seem like he's
as injury prone as say Larry Hughes (this without looking at
any actual data).

[DCZards]

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Past history should be a pretty good indicator of how terrible this medical staff is. Why is it a co-incidence that these things always occur with us almost every year weather its to scrubs like Larry and Jarvis or stars ike Caron and Gil?

Look around the league and you'll find just about every team gets hit with significant injuries--whether its LA with Bynum and Odom before that, Houston with Yao and McGrady, Garnett missing games with Boston, Cleveland losing Gibson, Ford with Toronto...Jermaine O'Neal, NeNe

...and last year with Paul in New Orleans, Wade in Miami...I could go on.

It's a physical game and guys get hurt. And not just those who play for the Zards.

[Ruzious]

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Look around the league and you'll find just about every team gets hit with significant injuries--whether its LA with Bynum and Odom before that, Houston with Yao and McGrady, Garnett missing games with Boston, Cleveland losing Gibson, Ford with Toronto...Jermaine O'Neal, NeNe

...and last year with Paul in New Orleans, Wade in Miami...I could go on.

It's a physical game and guys get hurt. And not just those who play for the Zards.

Nah, I think the Wiz maybe everyone beat. I mean, KG just missed a few games, and Nene's never been all that good. Houston's the only one I'd consider on par with the Zards.

[DCZards]

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Nah, I think the Wiz maybe everyone beat. I mean, KG just missed a few games, and Nene's never been all that good. Houston's the only one I'd consider on par with the Zards.

Ok, I'll up the ante: How about Wade AND Shaq with Miami last season. Together, I'm sure they missed more than 40 games. Pierce missed a ton of games for Boston last season, too.

With a little research, I can find better examples than Nene. Just don't have the time. My point is that, while we be hurtin', I don't see the Zards situation as all that unique.

[Soup's Uncle]

every year, we have 2+ significant injuries...not all teams go through what we do to our star players.

[Donkey McDonkerton]

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Again

why is this the medical staff's fault? No one is happy about it
but come on. What specific knowledge do you have that anyone
on our med staff effed up?

The Doctors should have looked at injuries to the hip, taken an MRI, X-ray, Sonogram, Cat scan or any other thing to go down the list and check everything off, and rule that out.

When I injured my ankle, the Doc felt it..moved it around ,took an X-ray...said nothing is broken, you just need to rest it. Now that's fine for ME, but if I was a pro ball player, you better take an MRI to MAKE SURE there isnt any other damage.

[Ruzious]

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Ok, I'll up the ante: How about Wade AND Shaq with Miami last season. Together, I'm sure they missed more than 40 games. Pierce missed a ton of games for Boston last season, too.

With a little research, I can find better examples than Nene. Just don't have the time. My point is that, while we be hurtin', I don't see the Zards situation as all that unique.

Dude, we lost Butler and Arenas for the playoffs last year - not to mention Jamison's first major injury. That's our big 3. And we had other injuries. And this year, we might have it worse. Who cares if Pierce was injured last year. Boston was horrible with him, anyway. And they've been lucky this season - being built around 3 aging players. Shaq - at his age and shape - was bound to get hurt at some point. And he's not that good, anymore. Miami stunk with everyone healthy this season.