The Retooling Thread: What do we do now

[GameTime_3]

How about Marion does not opt out. We get Micheal beasley. We Sign Daniel Gibson to Full MLE.Resign Ricky 3 yrs 9 million. Then 2009 We got after Brand or JO.

C-Blount-Chris Mihm or Ratliff
PF-Haslem-AJ
SF-Marion-Dorrel-B Easy
SG-Wade-Ricky D-Cook
PG-Gibson-Banks

After 2009 we got after JO or Brand. With marion gone and 2010 with Blount,Haslem we sign our selfs a True center.

[heat4life]

^^^^^

If we resign Ricky Davis and give Gibson the MLE like you suggest, we won't have any cap space to get Brand or JO EVEN if Marion is gone.

[GameTime_3]

^^^^^

If we resign Ricky Davis and give Gibson the MLE like you suggest, we won't have any cap space to get Brand or JO EVEN if Marion is gone.

Then no Ricky but yes to Gibson.

[Flash4thewin]

The MLE is around 6mil, so even if you sign Gibsonm you have no shot at Brand or anyone else worth a max contract. Marion wont be on this team for long, consider him a more athletic Eddie Jones but just like Eddie because he cant create baskets for himself doesnt do great in the playoffs. I cant remember which year but Bowen shut Marion down.

[Lane1974]

I agree Marion probably isn't a 2nd option on a championship team (we'd need a legit post presence) but to say he sucks in saying Bowen, arguably the best perimeter defensive player of his generation shut up down

[Flash4thewin]

Its not to say he sucks, its just he's not a player made for the playoffs.

[CB4MiamiHeat]

How about Marion does not opt out. We get Micheal beasley. We Sign Daniel Gibson to Full MLE.Resign Ricky 3 yrs 9 million. Then 2009 We got after Brand or JO.

C-Blount-Chris Mihm or Ratliff
PF-Haslem-AJ
SF-Marion-Dorrel-B Easy
SG-Wade-Ricky D-Cook
PG-Gibson-Banks

After 2009 we got after JO or Brand. With marion gone and 2010 with Blount,Haslem we sign our selfs a True center.

we wont we any good with Blount at center...we are better off with Foster, Diop, DJ Mbenga.

[Wade2k6]

Sign Gibson to the full MLE.. draft Beasley.. Get a C in the next offseason or via trade at the dealine

C: Blount, Zo
PF: Beasley, Haslem
SF: Marion, Dorrel
SG: Wade, Dorrel, Cook
PG: Gibson, Banks

Gibson gives us the legit and reliable 3 pt threat, along with Marion somewhat. Marion along with Zo Dorrel Haslem and Banks can be the defensive specialists, while Wade and Beasley (more towards his 2nd n 3rd year) can be the main first 2 scoring options.

Gibson might not be the best ball handler, but most the time when the games on the line Wade has the ball in his hands anyway. I love Gibsons stroke though, and think he could really help the Heat out. The penetrate and kick would work perfectly with Wade penetrating to a wide open Gibson.

[Ballwise]

Assumption 1: We get Beasley with our draftpick.

Assumption 2: Marion signs a renegotiated deal along the underlying figures.

08-09 $17,000,000
09-10 $11,000,000
10-11 $12,000,000
11-12 $13,000,000

Should we or Toronto be interested in a deal a Marion for Kapono and Calderon (Assumption 3: resigned at a salary starting somewhere around the lower 8 mil $) type of deal?

I know that the numbers still wouldn't work, but depending on additional players involved I kind of like this deal.

Lineup Miami 08/09

PG: Calderon / Banks
SG: Wade / Cook
SF: Kapono / Wright
PF: Haslem / Beasley
C : Alonzo / Blount

We could still add somebody with the MLE or LLE. But, I like the fact that we could make the playoffs next year while still being flexible long term: we got young developing players (Beasley, Wright, Cook, 2nd rd pick) and could still make a splash in the '09-'10 FA-market.

My favorite kind of deal would be something like: Marion & Blount for Kapono, Calderon, Nesterovic (=expiring) and filler. But I guess they wouldn't do it


So more realistically something like Marion & Smush for Kapono, Calderon & Nesterovic?

[Flash4thewin]

Zo would only come back for a contending team, not a rebuilding team.
With Shaq gone Zo will retire mostlikely.

[Ballwise]

Probably, but one can dream. And since he hasn't retired officially we can at least hope to see him come back on the court, even if it was for one game.

If Zo retires, we will have to sign another Center, but we should do so anyway I believe.

[heat4life]

Gibson is a nice player but I am not sure I would give him the full MLE. IMO someone like Monta Ellis deserves it more. Either way, I doubt Cleveland lets him walk.

[Flash4thewin]

Monta Ellis is going to get alot more than just the MLE. A wild shot would be Childless but the hawks would match the MLE.

[CRHeel94]

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I don't think Riley is that stupid; Marion isn't a cornerstone piece and he clearly wants a big man. I think what we're likely to see is a sign-and-trade, where Marion gets his extension and gets moved for something more valuable.

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree. Thanks for implying I'm stupid.

[GameTime_3]

Monta Ellis is going to get alot more than just the MLE. A wild shot would be Childless but the hawks would match the MLE.

What does childless bring to the table that we dont already have? Yes he can shoot but i dont remmber him being great. This offseason i think the heat need to target big men and pg. We have our SF,SG set. Wade,Dorrel,Cook,Marion.

offseason list.
1.Calderon(26 yrs old)
2.Gibson
3.JCN
4.Andris Biedrins--
5.Nenard Krstic-C(24) -His stock is as low as it will ever get

[heat4life]

Monta Ellis is going to get alot more than just the MLE. A wild shot would be Childless but the hawks would match the MLE.

From who? Ellis is a RFA. Golden State would match a MLE offer and only a couple of teams have the money to offer him more. They key here is that Golden State has several people re-up or extend in the next couple of seasons (Biedrins, Baron Davis, Pietrus, Barnes). They'll have to make a decision just like Atlanta. My gut feeling is that they keep Ellis.

IMO, his best bet (and more likely scenario) is for him to play for the qualifying for a year and go as a UFA the following year where there could be as many as 6 teams who can offer more than the MLE for a player like him. He could easily get a Mo Williams-type contract.

[BFRESH44]

Nenad Kristic is interesting...I'd throw a full MLE offer sheet at him and see if the Nets match. Can't hurt. They'd probably match because when he was healthy he was surely looking towards the 8-9 mil range...

[Wade2k6]

I would think Ellis would get about 7-8 mill/year. I wouldn't mind going after Biedrins for 8-9 mill/year if Marion opted out. Most likely though Marion will stay, we won't have the money for a big FA or young FA like Kristic, Ellis or Biedrins.

Another player I like is Louis Williams. I would think the sixers would try to match an offer for him, but if we don't land a player like Bayless, Rose I think he'd be worth a look. He's putting up 10.9 ppg, 3.2 apg, and 1.9 rpg while shooting 36% from 3 and 1.63 TO. They're pretty decent numbers for only playing 22 minutes a game.

[Flash3]

Duhon could be had this summer, but how much will it cost us and can he be signed outright?

[Wade2k6]

I would think Duhon price would be around 5 million, nearly the MLE. Judging by the Bulls board and the times I've actually gotten to see him play, he doesn't seem more then a backup PG. Banks already seems to have that backup PG spot taken and has done a nice job there.

I don't think Duhon would be worth it.
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