What's been up with Kevin Martin?

BMiller52 · Post #21 » by **BMiller52** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 5:12 am

SacTown Kings wrote:Get outta here with this feminine stuff. Martin has a laid back personality, he's not a girl.

Yeah he was even pissed Reggie pretty much benched him for the 1st half of the 4th quarter yesterday:

During a 19-8 Magic run from the late third quarter to midway through the fourth, Kings shooting guard Kevin Martin sat with a look of frustration while the likes of rookie center Spencer Hawes and second-year guard Quincy Douby struggled to keep up with a Magic team that's among the Eastern Conference's best.

Martin had hit 8 of 13 shots to that point and was leading the team in points (21), rebounds (10) and assists (five). Then for a six-minute, 24-second stretch in which a seven-point deficit grew to 19, Martin watched from the bench while the two starters who had left with him (Beno Udrih and Brad Miller) returned before him.

"Especially with the way the game was going, I wanted to get back in the game," said Martin, whose three-pointer had cut Orlando's lead to five one minute before he was taken out. "But I guess it is what it is, and I'll move on from that. It's all about rhythm. I just know how I've got to play to help this team."

http://www.sacbee.com/kings/story/736496.html

SadKingsFan · Post #22 » by **SadKingsFan** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:06 am

Reggie doesnt do this too much but he does piss me off sometimes at the start of fourth quarters with the bad lineups.

Douby really doesnt belong in the NBA right now at this moment, D-league is his friend.

Ballings7 · Post #23 » by **Ballings7** » Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:35 pm

Douby's doing what he can as a young player with the oppurtunities he gets on a team with 3-4 guys in front of him.

He's proven several times so far he can play in this league. Naturally being young and with the oppurtunities he gets, he's going to be up and down, or just nothing.

I don't know why he doesn't go down to the DL, maybe they'd rather have him around the team (but maybe it's time for him to go on his own). But what can't be overlooked is he has displayed the ability with significance to be a player in this league, on both ends of the court.

SadKingsFan · Post #24 » by **SadKingsFan** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:16 pm

Yeah i definitely like his on the ball defense . I just think that he needs to work on things that the coaching staff may not have time to teach to him as far as his specific needs go. Mostly simple stuff but if he isnt going to play for us, he needs to go to the D-league where he can really exel.

OGSactownballer · Post #25 » by **OGSactownballer** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:31 pm

First I thought that this was a thread about Kevin, not Quincy.

Second, isn't it entirely possible that Kevin may be suffering from this crazy month-long energy-sapping flu that is going around? I and most of the people in the hospital in which I work have had it, and it totally saps your energy 9especially as the day goes by) for 4-6 weeks - as well as assorted bacterial infections (i.e. pinkeye; strep throat; bronchitis, etc.) that seem to come as a result of it.

Joseph17 · Post #26 » by **Joseph17** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:29 am

PetrieUnderstudy wrote:No offense I think you all have it wrong. Kevin Martin doesn't need to get faster. He's slender built so he's not going to get that much stronger. His dribbling and post skils could stand some improvement. But the biggest thing by far more than anything holding Kevin Martin back is his personality/toughness. Nothing against homosexuals but I laughed my ass off when my Dad said "I think he's gay." He's feminine and has his game in kinda WNBA'ish. Not trying to bash the guy but in order for him to maximize his abilities he needs to get tough physically and mentally.

Wow. That's one of the most ridiculous posts I've seen on realgm and I've seen some pretty ridiculous posts about Varejao. It gave me a good laugh though. Martin played well when I took him off my fav five. I'm permanently deleting my fav five because I'm sick of the curse.

King Baller · Post #27 » by **King Baller** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 5:34 am

joeyyowee wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Wow. That's one of the most ridiculous posts I've seen on realgm and I've seen some pretty ridiculous posts about Varejao. It gave me a good laugh though. Martin played well when I took him off my fav five. I'm permanently deleting my fav five because I'm sick of the curse.

Well thanks :clap:

KB

Cruel_Ruin · Post #28 » by **Cruel_Ruin** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 6:10 am

joeyyowee wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Martin played well when I took him off my fav five. I'm permanently deleting my fav five because I'm sick of the curse.

jjp72 · Post #29 » by **jjp72** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 6:09 pm

blaming it on theus:
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=7630

SadKingsFan · Post #30 » by **SadKingsFan** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:19 pm

jjp72 wrote:blaming it on theus:
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=7630

The only one blaming it on theus is that writer, hoopsworld? LMAO what a terrible website.

Post #31 » by **KF10** » Sat Mar 1, 2008 12:33 am

Kevin MartinFan wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

The only one blaming it on theus is that writer, hoopsworld? LMAO what a terrible website.

Even though, hoopsworld is trash most of the time but the writer bring up some excellent points regarding Martin/Theus situation....And there was some evidence as well in the Sac Bee as well concerning about this situation....I pretty much agree with the writer...somewhat...

Post #32 » by **KingInExile** » Sat Mar 1, 2008 1:23 am

A lot of you keep griping that we need to play the young guys more. Well, I my mind Martin is no longer one of the "young guys". He has established himself as a shooter and his role with the team is known. However there are still questions about the "young guys" who are competing for time at the 2; guys like Garcia, Douby and (to an extent) Salmons. Face it, the price of holding "try outs" for these guys, something many of you have been screaming for for weeks, is diminished minutes for Martin. In other words, be careful what you ask for when it comes to wishing for "young guys" to play more.

deNIEd · Post #33 » by **deNIEd** » Sat Mar 1, 2008 2:20 am

KingInExile wrote:A lot of you keep griping that we need to play the young guys more. Well, I my mind Martin is no longer one of the "young guys". He has established himself as a shooter and his role with the team is known. However there are still questions about the "young guys" who are competing for time at the 2; guys like Garcia, Douby and (to an extent) Salmons. Face it, the price of holding "try outs" for these guys, something many of you have been screaming for for weeks, is diminished minutes for Martin. In other words, be careful what you ask for when it comes to wishing for "young guys" to play more.

Martin is clearly still a "young guy." He is still not a vet in the league, and still developing as a player. In my eyes, the youngs are all the players who in 5 years, still help the team win a ring, and still playing at a high level.
Taking out Miller, Thomas, Shareef, Moore
and questionable about Artest.

Regardless...Moore should have zero minutes.
Miller should start to lose some minutes to Hawes.
AJ should get zero minutes, instead give those minutes to Douby and Garcia at stretches.
Keep Artest and Martin's minutes the same.

Again
PG B. Udrih (28) Q. Douby (15) F. Garcia (5)
SG K. Mart (32) F. Garcia (13) Q. Douby (2)
SF R. Artest (18) J. Salmons (24) F. Garcia (6)
PF S. Williams (24) R. Artest (14) S. Hawes (10)
C B. Miller (28) S. Hawes (20)

Post #34 » by **ICMTM** » Sat Mar 1, 2008 2:54 am

Could it just be that Kevin Martin isn't as good as you people are making him out to be?

I really think Kevin has reached his ceiling.

deNIEd · Post #35 » by **deNIEd** » Sat Mar 1, 2008 4:03 am

ICMTM wrote:Could it just be that Kevin Martin isn't as good as you people are making him out to be?

I really think Kevin has reached his ceiling.

I agree, i don't think K.Mart is as good as many people believe or hopes he will become one day.

Don't get me wrong, he is amazing, and by all means we need him on the team, it just shows even more that we need our number 1 player...and kevin clearly is not that player.

Joseph17 · Post #36 » by **Joseph17** » Sat Mar 1, 2008 10:07 pm

^ You guys are judging him based on how he's playing recently. Once he completely comes out of his slump, you guys are going to regret what you're saying. Kevin can definitely become the number 1 option if that's what Theus asked of him.

Post #37 » by **ICMTM** » Sat Mar 1, 2008 10:13 pm

joeyyowee wrote:^ You guys are judging him based on how he's playing recently. Once he completely comes out of his slump, you guys are going to regret what you're saying. Kevin can definitely become the number 1 option if that's what Theus asked of him.

I've stated several times that I think Martin is near his ceiling. I've said several times that Martin IS NOT a franchise guy and will never be. He can't create his own shot night in and out. I also stated that the best trade asset we have IS Kevin Martin and should have been used in that manner.

I for one don't want to build with young players.

BMiller52 · Post #38 » by **BMiller52** » Sat Mar 1, 2008 10:55 pm

ICMTM wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I've stated several times that I think Martin is near his ceiling. I've said several times that Martin IS NOT a franchise guy and will never be. He can't create his own shot night in and out. I also stated that the best trade asset we have IS Kevin Martin and should have been used in that manner.

I for one don't want to build with young players.

I think it's his choice whether he's hit his ceiling or not. If he wanted to he could put on more muscle, work on a turnaround J, and improve his ball handling a lot. He has a lot of room to improve in those areas. That would make him a lot better. Question is whether he's fine with where he's at or whether he has that competitive drive that makes him say "okay, I can be better. I need to work on this stuff".

Post #39 » by **KF10** » Sat Mar 1, 2008 11:02 pm

Eh, you guys have a "different" view on Kevin then... My opinion on Kevin is that he could be a much better player then he is right now... His only weakness he has is ball handling and inconsistent defense/creating own shot. This could be improved dramatically if he works on it over the summer...We know Kevin is a gym rat and will work on this...He is not really reaching his ceiling...He could be a great player... (A level down from superstar level) His playmaking abilities are underrated. I already knew that his court vision as a SG is great. He does have this ability. I will not be surprised if one time of his career that he averages 4/5 assists per game... If he works on his game, he will be a better overall player and be a great SG in the league.

sackings916 · Post #40 » by **sackings916** » Sat Mar 1, 2008 11:06 pm

kingsfan10 wrote:Eh, you guys have a "different" view on Kevin then... My opinion on Kevin is that he could be a much better player then he is right now... His only weakness he has is ball handling and inconsistent defense/creating own shot. This could be improved dramatically if he works on it over the summer...We know Kevin is a gym rat and will work on this...He is not really reaching his ceiling...He could be a great player... (A level down from superstar level) His playmaking abilities are underrated. I already knew that his court vision as a SG is great. He does have this ability. I will not be surprised if one time of his career that he averages 4/5 assists per game... If he works on his game, he will be a better overall player and be a great SG in the league.

Ball handling and creating your own shot go hand in hand IMO. While Martin can improve on those I dont think he'll ever be on the level of some of the other elite guards in that category, which will limit his ceiling to not much better than what he is now. Hopefully he proves me wrong.