if we never got JJ and had built from the draft

[HoopsGuru25]

How does that affect what I said?

You said we couldn't afford Joe,Josh,Paul,and Roy. Roy is on a rookie contract until 2010. It's only logical that you would have Joe and Roy from 2007-2010 and then just sign and trade one of them when their contract is up and get more value. I'll take 4 years of Roy/JJ over just Roy.

[conleyorbust]

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To most Hawks fans, Paul and Roy were the obvious choices. Don't see why it's so ridiculous. I don't there's any question Roy will end up the better player than Joe, Joe's game isn't much more advanced at this point and Roy is already superior mentally. We also wouldn't have given up the draft picks or Diaw. Obviously no one knows how any "what if" scenarios turn out because they never happened, but I'd say my thoughts aren't too farfetched.

I know I said I didn't want to talk about this because its depressing but I want to clarify my point here. I didnt' say we shouldn't have picked Roy. I just said that not signing Joe because 2 years later a guy who may or may not have become as good or better than him is not good logic. I'm fine with the money we gave Joe as it hasn't impeded our FA signings since and we had to do something to prove our ownership was willing to spend after that 13 win season. Don't forget, we signed Speedy and Lo the next summer, that was as good as throwing 10 a year in the garbage, but we did it.

Now your "what if" is possible, sure... but who knows. You can't make moves based on the draft two years down the line unless there is a Lebron/Oden coming out. Maybe Paul would have been good enough to take us out of the running for Roy?

I will give BK credit for the 04' draft, Chil was a bad pick but Smith was a good one. I'll accept what we paid Joe and since I don't know exactly what happened between the Hawks and Suns, I'll give the benefit of the doubt for the purposes of this thread.

Where the chise' got off track was the 05' draft and subsequent makeup moves.

[High 5]

How does that affect what I said?

You said we couldn't afford Joe,Josh,Paul,and Roy. Roy is on a rookie contract until 2010. It's only logical that you would have Joe and Roy from 2007-2010 and then just sign and trade one of them when their contract is up and get more value. I'll take 4 years of Roy/JJ over just Roy.

I rather have Paul, Roy, Smith, Chill and possibly Chandler for many years. Plus what we gave up in the trade for JJ to use for depth. I admittedly don't spend much time thinking about the financial side of the things, I just enjoy the game itself, but whatever. Just my opinion. Maybe my tune will change if Joe starts playing like an All Star again.

[High 5]

[quote="conleyorbust"][/quote]

It was only one year later. And this thread is for discussion on a "what if," so I'm just supplying some of my own realistic "what ifs." Just passing the time.

[Harry10]

this presupposes that we had a competent GM too. I hate what ifs but, what if we didnt get Joe and then instead of Marvin we got CP3, since we never got Joe we would still suck and have gotten a high pick in the next draft, then we could have gotten Roy. Of course, with Roy and Paul, we could have never gotten Horford. So who knows who we would have down in the 5 spot. Yall think that would have been a better team? I know this post is stupid. I was just thinking and I dont feel like doing my homework right now.

starting 5
Paul
Roy
Chills
Smoove
someone besides Al

if they had drafted Deng and Duhon, then the Hawks record might have slightly been better, in addition, with Duhon, Paul might have not been a priority. but lets say Hawks get Paul and then Deng, and Smoove, then their record might have been good enough that the Hawks draft pick would have not been high enough to get Roy.

but i see your point, Knight only drafted one bust in Shelden, but in addition he never took the best player available (besides the Smoove pick)

[evildallas]

Depending when you do the do-over you can have drastically different results. Let's say that the Chill/Smoove/Ivey draft is left alone (
Let's assume that they drafted Paul instead of Marvin and didn't sign Joe. We should also strike Salim from the list. I would have looked at Monta Ellis and Louis Williams because of their speed, but realistically Andray Blatche would have been a logical 2nd round gamble given that we went small with out 1st pick. Too bad, Ellis and Paul would be unguardably fast.

CP3 lead NO to a 20 game improvement in 2005/2006. If we assume the same result here we no longer have the #5 pick, but rather the #7 pick in the draft. Assuming that Roy and Foye come off the board, we most likely pick Rudy Gay. In the second round, we would have picked a little later than we actually did and as such probably lost the opportunity at Craig Smith. Using the undersized PF or prospect who dropped a lot theory, we could have got Paul Millsap, Leon Powe, Alexander Johnson, or Daniel Gibson. Given that we'd have held workouts, I think Paul Millsap would have been the obvious pick of the 2nd round PFs.

Given sophomore results and assuming we still made the Al Harrington deal we would have probably the 10 and 11 picks in the last draft. If the top 9 stay the same, then we probably pass on Spencer Hawes as a bad fit and select Rodney Stuckey and Nick Young realistically. My theory being that Childress and Gay are really SFs and we would be hoping to fill in SG. Acie is more of combo PG so we'd want a little more size to go with CP. We'd have a 2nd round pick (no reason to stretch with the AJ trade) and could have picked up Chris Richard as another big body.

Chris Paul
Josh Childress
Rudy Gay
Josh Smith
Andray Blatche

Rodney Stuckey
Nick Young
Paul Millsap

That's the possible youth core given the parameters. Just add vets.

BTW, if we have gone Deron Williams instead of CP, then the first year bump is less substantial and we likely do get the shot at Roy in the next draft. The rest play out somewhat similar but with the 13th pick in 2007 draft. Indiana would have been bottom 10 and kept their pick. We could take a flier on Sean Williams or Al Thornton, but I see picking up Rodney Stuckey as a backup for both guards.

Deron Williams
Brandon Roy
Josh Childress
Josh Smith
Andray Blatche

Rodney Stuckey
Paul Millsap

Intriguing either way.

[D21]

this presupposes ...
starting 5
Paul
Roy
Chills
Smoove
someone besides Al

Why Roy ? Why the 5th pick ? Changing the lineup changes all the things which come later.

[mattlanta]

this presupposes that we had a competent GM too. I hate what ifs but, what if we didnt get Joe and then instead of Marvin we got CP3, since we never got Joe we would still suck and have gotten a high pick in the next draft, then we could have gotten Roy. Of course, with Roy and Paul, we could have never gotten Horford. So who knows who we would have down in the 5 spot. Yall think that would have been a better team? I know this post is stupid. I was just thinking and I dont feel like doing my homework right now.

starting 5
Paul
Roy
Chills
Smoove
someone besides Al

In that case, I think we would of drafted someone else instead of a guard. Maybe a big man or Rudy Gay.

[pughead]

I was going to post a joke about how we could not have gotten all of these "what if" scenarios because the Hindsight Clippers/Bobcats/Bucks team would have drafted Paul, Roy, etc. first.

Then I noticed that we were the only team picking so high, so many years and we really could have had this happen.

[lunarblues]

for the sake of argument,

taking joe had no bearing on the draft. we still would have marvin and salim.

-core-
pg-lue/salim
sg-childress/diaw
sf-josh smith/ marvin
pf-harrington/
c-

we still would have picked up zaza (no bigman)
pg-lue/salim
sg-childress/diaw
sf-josh smith/marvin
pf-harrington
c-zaza

we prob would have had a worse record and would have ended up ahead of charlotte and portland

we need a two guard but since roy blows us off in scouting, we end up taking adam morrison
we also use boston pick to pick up rondo who falls in draft
we need a more ready bigman so we pick up milsap (best rated big left on board at time)

harrington still gets traded
diaw sees writing on wall and isn't given an offer sheet

we sign lorenzen but not speedy

pg-lue/rondo/
sg-morrison/salim
sf-marvin/childress
pf-smith/ milsap
c-zaza/lorenzen/bautista

we still finish with crappy record and end up with the fifth pick in the draft (second worst record) we then pick up yi (no real player that fits need on board) and then thaddeus young to get ready for childres's exoudus (he's probably ready to go if this actually happens). we also don't make the anthony johnson trade since we're out of the playoff picture from the get go. (we go with a familiar face and pick up glen davis)

lineup
pg-rondo/lue
sg-morrison/childress/salim
sf-marvin/young
pf-smith/milsap
c-zaza/yi/lorenzen/

IR: davis

maybe this team does pretty good. but more than likely we are last year's celtics stinking up the joint and getting knight and woodson canned (remember no ownership dispute probably and decisions come quicker).

either way we still lose.