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[HoopsGuru25]

It also has to be noted that both Deron and Felton struggled before becoming the full time starters for their team.

[conleyorbust]

smabie...I'm an Acie Law(and thought Deron was a reach at 3)but Law was not a better prospect than Deron in the draft. I would even say that Marcus Williams in 2006 was a better prospect(in terms of bball skills not character)than Law. Law got drafted 11th because the Hawks needed a pg at 11 and thought he was the best available.

I wouldn't consider Acie as a prospect in the Paul, DWilliams, Conley, Felton range. Although he may end up being as good as Felton (one can hope).

I look at him more as a Jarret Jack, Marcus Williams, Sergio Rod sort of prospect. A guy that (in JJ and Marcus W's case) would be able to become a servicable starter or top reserve in the future. Williams fell in the draft because of character issues, his stock fell A LOT before the draft. Acie is probably most similar to Jack... less athletic but more of a "leader".

[HoopsGuru25]

I think Marcus Williams would have been a pretty high pick(definitely top 10) if he didn't have terrible workouts and the whole laptop situation. Now if BK actually wanted to draft for need in 2006(a pg who would be ideal with the Hawks atheltic wings)he should have reached for Williams at 5 or did the 5+8+Head with Houston and drafted M.Williams. Williams was probably a better passer than any college pg I've seen in a while and he fit in with the big pg philosophy that BK likes. I think he's definitely going to be a starting pg and a good starting pg at that. That's another story though.

I'm hoping that Law will improve like Williams once he get's more minutes but right now we just need him to play decent D,his his midrange jumpshot,and go to the basket(which he was doing a better job). The pressure won't be on Law until Bibby's contract is up. It's amazing that some people have already written Acie off.

[Rip2137]

Yeah..that is amazing. He has shown flashes. About as many flashes as you can expect out of a guy that hasn't played 30 minutes in a game yet.

But I wouldn't put him in the Jarrett Jack, sergio thing.

Sergio went so deep because he wasn't playing stateside and Jack was lucky to not fall to the second round.

Acie showed a more consistant jumper, more quickness and better passing ability than Jack. Jack had leadership going for him.

[HoopsGuru25]

Law had a good jumpshot in college although his lack of 3 point attempts lead me to believe he wont be a decent 3 point shooter in the pros. However..I would guess that Law had hit less than 15 jumpshots all year before the last Charlotte game. So far the only thing Acie has been good at in the NBA is getting to the rim. I think Law will eventually be a good scorer,below average passer,and a solid defender. Hopefully he brings the intangibles/swagger that he brought to Texas A&M.

[Rip2137]

In the predraft though, Acie shot the ball extremely well, which is what I meant when I said he was a more consistant jump shooter coming out. Once again, not using results after they got in the league, but realistically looking at them after the draft camps.

With that said, Marvin isn't a bad pick when you look at the buzz coming out of the draft camps. But I do remember threatening to hunt down Billy and kick him in the balls if he drafted Marvin over Paul. I never did it, but I didn't actually think I was going to have to do it when I made the threat. Man was I wrong.

[conleyorbust]

Yeah..that is amazing. He has shown flashes. About as many flashes as you can expect out of a guy that hasn't played 30 minutes in a game yet.

But I wouldn't put him in the Jarrett Jack, sergio thing.

Sergio went so deep because he wasn't playing stateside and Jack was lucky to not fall to the second round.

Acie showed a more consistant jumper, more quickness and better passing ability than Jack. Jack had leadership going for him.

Sergio was, and still is, all potential. He is different than Acie in that regard but I'd put his stock as a prospect on the same level.

Jack dropped because there were 2 elite point guards and Felton who was a successful college player with amazing athleticism. Jack was, like Acie, a big scoring point. True, he didn't have as much of a midrange game, but he was also a more explosive finisher which seems to be a problem for Acie.

[JoshB914]

IV isn't on the same level as those guys because he isn't as good of a passer. IV was a solid but not spectacular passer in college, there were also questions about his range. He was lucky to be in a draft class where there was only one PG that scouts were fairly sure on (MCJ). If Williams/Paul/Felton are in that draft class he would fall considerably.

[Rip2137]

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Sergio was, and still is, all potential. He is different than Acie in that regard but I'd put his stock as a prospect on the same level.

Jack dropped because there were 2 elite point guards and Felton who was a successful college player with amazing athleticism. Jack was, like Acie, a big scoring point. True, he didn't have as much of a midrange game, but he was also a more explosive finisher which seems to be a problem for Acie.

I don't think you can put Acie and Sergio on the same level because the thing that was said about Acie was that he was the most NBA ready of the top 3 point guards in the draft but Conley and Crit probably had more upside. Sergio, like you said was pretty much potential.

Jack was big, not quick, not that great of a passer and had a shakey jumpshot. If not for a run to the NCAA championship, he would have been a second round pick. Acie is a lower pick if more teams needed point guards. This was a big heavy draft.

And Acie had no problem finishing at the rim before the Ankle injury and after a few months looked fine doing it again. I think that ankle had more to do with him leaving layups short than people realize.

[LL Cool Scott]

But I do remember threatening to hunt down Billy and kick him in the balls if he drafted Marvin over Paul. I never did it, but I didn't actually think I was going to have to do it when I made the threat. Man was I wrong.

I so agree. In fact, if you or anyone out there could provide me videotaped footage of yourself kicking Billy Knight in the testicles (and his facial reaction) I will gladly pay you upwards of $500. That might be the highlight of my month. Just when I thought you were crazy, Rip, you go and completely redeem yourself!