Greatest First team ALL-NBA team of all-time?

[semi-sentient]

Jordan has never owned Brandon Roy in a game. Roy hasn't let Jordan even score a single point on him. Move over MJ.


See the logical fallacy in my point? I hope to god yes

Terrible.

Brandon Roy has never faced Jordan, whereas Kobe has -- several times.

And you're talking about logical fallacies?

[moofs]

Hakeem<Shaq imo (this is the only one thats really debateable)

Everyone always points out that Hakeem beat out young Shaq, but barely.

I've never heard anyone ask:
- Would young Hakeem beat young Shaq?
- Would young Hakeem beat prime Shaq?
- How much do any of those 3 questions matter in determining anything?

I dunno, like you said, it's very debatable.

[JordansBulls]

I know I'd get crucified if I left the demigod Jordan off, but here's the team I would actually prefer...and I think no-one could put together a team that would beat them consistently in a 7-game series...

C - Wilt Chamberlain
PF - Karl Malone
SF - Larry Bird
SG- John Havlicek
PG - Walt Frazier

as opposed to what I think might be the conventional wisdom here on this board...

C - Kareem
PF - Duncan
SF - Kobe
SG - Jordan
PG - Payton

It would be a good matchup but I'll take team 2. MJ with the same or better talent has never lost a series.

Kareem/Duncan and Wilt/Malone is a wash IMO. Payton/Jordan > Frazier/Hondo, Kobe < Bird.

I think that team 1 stands a better chance with Frazier defending Jordan than with Hondo on him. Also you would need to put Hondo on Kobe in the process.

No one on either side would get double teamed IMO and to have just one guy defending someone like MJ or Kobe would be murder. Wilt will get his, and so will Kareem, but team 2 has the guys who can penetrate in the lane and get the bigs on team 1 in trouble.

[big123]

Man, I wonder how many 12 year old on this forum that just started watching basketball 3 years ago. I'm 35 and have watched both MJ and Kobe. Kobe is good no doubt, but he is no Jordan. People take too much stock in that 81 point game.

[studcrackers]

Some of these stats, Wilt's aside, are still mind blowing. Can anyone explain what caused 60's stats to be so inflated?

the pace was so much faster than todays game plus the shooters werent that great (bob cousy was a career 37% shooter)

wilt led the league in fg% nearly every year and it was only about 50% (not saying its not impressive since he shot that much but it might speak of the quality of shooting in the league)

[penbeast0]

Pace is certainly one of the biggest factors. A lesser one is minutes/game. In those days, the stars played more minutes on the average than many modern players. Today the star that plays 40+ mpg is an exception, then it was the rule.

The final factor is Wilt. If you take him out of the mix, you have some monster seasons but most come back to reality with pace figured in. Wilt was just crazy psycho talented, much more of an individually dominant freak of nature than Jordan, Kareem, or Shaq at their respective peaks. You would still have Russell the all-time rebounding leader by a good margin but the numbers for everyone else come back to the norm pretty much.

[Hard2dhole]

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KG vs Bird is not even close to a tie, and I dont know how Barkley would "punish" Duncan

Jordan>Kobe
Magic>Kidd
Bird>KG
Chuck<Duncan
Hakeem<Shaq imo (this is the only one thats really debateable)

Larry Legend was the most amazing unathletic player I've ever seen with range to boot. His positioning, timing, and accuracy are the equalizers to KG's size and athleticism.

Duncan is was and will always be a finesse player. The round mound was a bruising physical force. Duncan would outplay Charles but he'd be going home banged up.