Are Carter & McGrady going to the Hall?

[Heat3]

I don't think either gets in but....I put T-Mac > Carter.

Edit: Carter ought to get in just for his dunking ability. GOAT in that category.

[Malinhion]

Vince is the greatest dunker of all-time, who had very solid career statistics. McGrady had one of basketball's all-time great seasons, but has failed to have real success even with a dominant big-man.

Yes for Vince, no for T-Mac.

[Doctor MJ]

I put no to both. Carter is an obvious no. McGrady I could really go either way on.

[The_Believer]

Do they take popularity and influence on fans/ratings in? If so, they are locks. But as for their skills/accomplishments, hell no.

[Doctor MJ]

I don't think either gets in but....I put T-Mac > Carter.

Edit: Carter ought to get in just for his dunking ability. GOAT in that category.

James White is quite possibly a better dunker than Vince Carter, should he be in the Hall for it? imho if it's consider it should be given less weight than the GOAT at actually valuable facets of the game (no one will ever need to do contest dunks to make a basket). So example, all things being equal, GOAT FT shooter > GOAT dunker.

[big123]

No, great dunks doesn't get you into the hall. I would say right now no, they still have work to do.

[Baller 24]

Vince is the greatest dunker of all-time, who had very solid career statistics. McGrady had one of basketball's all-time great seasons, but has failed to have real success even with a dominant big-man.

Yes for Vince, no for T-Mac.

Alright so whats your point? look at there resumes, Mcgrady's is obviously better. He is a better play-maker, scorer, rebounder, defender, anything you name it...but dunking..hmm that sure does put people in hall of fames..might as well throw Nate Robinson in the mix since he is a great dunker. McGrady has been in the top 7 for MVP voting 5 times. McGrady has had "success", please explain what kind of success your talking about, playoff or regular season? anyways...in the playoffs he hasn't gotten past the first round in 6 tries, hes been to 3 game 7s in his career where he lost it all. Its not his fault, but he will not only take the blame, but get the blame by the media. The last 3 times he has been to the playoffs his numbers have been well unbelievable, 31pts, 4ast, 6reb...30pts, 6ast, 7reb...25pts, 7ast, 5 reb....2nd tell me why Carter should make it before McGrady looking at both of there resumes, McGrady kills Carter except well Carter is a great Dunker, and thats the main reason he should make it, according to your opinion. Carter will make it IMO, he has lead his team to the ECF, and has had playoff success, but that was early in his career, as his career progressed he has been known as a "quitter". But both should make it, Carter should IMO because he has had a great career, McGrady after playoff success should be there to.

[kdot99]

I don't even know how T-Mac can be considered for the hall of fame the way he's going right now. He's 28 and in his past few years (generally the prime years) he's been injury prone and when he has gone to the playoffs, he's failed to advance. Carter on the other hand has atleast been to the second round three times and is prone to injuries like T-Mac (although Carter may get hurt easily, it's not the same as an injury to not play). If anything, Carter has the better chance to get in between the two.

[Doctor MJ]

I don't even know how T-Mac can be considered for the hall of fame the way he's going right now. He's 28 and in his past few years (generally the prime years) he's been injury prone and when he has gone to the playoffs, he's failed to advance. Carter on the other hand has atleast been to the second round three times and is prone to injuries like T-Mac (although Carter may get hurt easily, it's not the same as an injury to not play). If anything, Carter has the better chance to get in between the two.

Are you seriously not aware that McGrady is a 6 time all-leaguer while Carter made it only twice? That's an order of magnitude difference that could only get made up if Carter had some rings. As is, I don't even seen there being a worthy debate between the two.

[wigglestrue]

TMac is probably a lock right now.
Carter is on the bubble right now.

Going by actual likelyhood of induction, not do I think they should be.

[halfHAVOC]

tmac i dont think so.

VC could since he has more playoff success. maybe this year hell put up better #'s in the playoffs too =O

[wigglestrue]

All-NBA teams. Scoring titles. They mean something.

TMac is clearly more likely to make the HOF.

[Malinhion]

A lot of people are downplaying Vince's dunking. It's not just that its solid dunking. He's the greatest dunker in NBA history. Suggesting that Nate Robinson even be in the same conversation is outright moronic.

McGrady surely has an argument with ALl-NBA teams, but I don't see how you can give merit to any of these accolades if he's unable to make it happen in the playoffs.

[Baller 24]

A lot of people are downplaying Vince's dunking. It's not just that its solid dunking. He's the greatest dunker in NBA history. Suggesting that Nate Robinson even be in the same conversation is outright moronic.

McGrady surely has an argument with ALl-NBA teams, but I don't see how you can give merit to any of these accolades if he's unable to make it happen in the playoffs.

Alright soo your saying the hall of fame should make a special "just for you Vince" rule to allow dunking as a reason to make the hall of fame? I don't think thats what players or why players get into the hall of fame. Players get in based on what they have done in their careers, and what their resumes have to offer. McGrady is more likely currently to make it, even though he hasn't gotten passed the first round he is truly a rare talent. IMO both players are going to make it, McGrady needs to do something in the playoffs, and if he does, he should be in easily. Both of these guys are rare talents, players like these appear only every decade. But McGrady is clearly the better scorer, rebounder, play maker, and defender, and the only reason that Vince currently has a better chance is because he has been past the first round, while Mcgrady has not.

[TMACFORMVP]

A lot of people are downplaying Vince's dunking. It's not just that its solid dunking. He's the greatest dunker in NBA history. Suggesting that Nate Robinson even be in the same conversation is outright moronic.

McGrady surely has an argument with ALl-NBA teams, but I don't see how you can give merit to any of these accolades if he's unable to make it happen in the playoffs.

Let's not make it out to be Carter is some playoff god. He's had more success than McGrady certainly (not that hard) but he's made the playoffs one less time than Mac overall and never gone past the second round. Neither are what I'd call flat out "winners."


Carter
8 Time NBA All-Star
1 Time All NBA Second Team
1 Time All NBA Third Team
NBA Rookie of the Year
All-NBA Rookie First Team
0 Top 10 finishes in MVP Voting

McGrady
7 Time NBA All-Star (2 years younger)
2 Time All-NBA First Team
3 Time All-NBA Second Team
1 Time All-NBA Third Team
2 Time NBA Scoring Champion
NBA's Most Improved Player
5 Top 7 Finishes in MVP Voting

Does being a better dunker and having slightly more playoff success really outweigh the rather large discrepancy in All-NBA Teams and finishes in MVP Voting.

I don't think either should make it as their career stands now considering their minimal playoff success, but as of now I'd say McGrady would have the edge. If either could get some more playoff success as their careers move forward (specially Mac) then I'd think they'd have a good chance of getting in.

[TMU]

Dunking? Are we talking about something that has weight only during all-star events?

Hell, if so then Jason Richardson should sign up on that HOF list.