DX projects Bucks with OJ Mayo (your thoughts?)

emunney · Post #101 » by **emunney** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 8:04 pm

My bad, my reading is poor.

emunney · Post #102 » by **emunney** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 8:07 pm

I still don't think it's a bad thing that Mayo is capable of shooting the ball, and his court vision and passing skills tell me that he doesn't necessarily need to shoot. Mo has also had a number of games this year wherein he's not shot as much yet been more effective than average.

europa · Post #103 » by **europa** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 8:12 pm

emunney wrote:I still don't think it's a bad think that Mayo is capable of shooting the ball, and his court vision and passing skills tell me that he doesn't necessarily need to shoot. Mo has also had a number of games this year wherein he's not shot as much yet been more effective than average.

I agree. My issue with Mo is he's yet to show he can play that way consistently. Whether he's incapable of it or simply refuses to I don't know (although I have my suspicions with regard to his mindset of late) but that's the deal. Same with Redd. Redd has had a number of games this season where he's shot less and passed more, but he hasn't been able to sustain that level of play consistently.

You obviously need scorers to win. But I don't think you can win when you have two starters or more who contribute little other than shooting. And with Mo and Redd (and now Villanueva) that's what the Bucks have. I think one of their biggest problems has been they keep adding players whose primary attribute is shooting and not enough players who bring other valuable elements to the mix.

I don't think it's a coincidence that the Bucks' best ball of this season came early in the year when both Mo and Redd were taking fewer shots per game (especially Mo). I think a lot of the team's success at that time can be traced to that formula. But it hasn't been sustained and (in my opinion) not surprisingly the Bucks have suffered because of it.

emunney · Post #104 » by **emunney** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 8:19 pm

It seems like our disagreement stems more from how we view Mayo than how we'd build the team. I see Mayo as an excellent all-around player (in the future... in other words, he has the tools: shooting, lateral quickness, court vision, desire, work ethic) with standout shooting while you seem to see him as a standout shooter with little else.

And, truthfully, shooting currently may be his only NBA-ready skill, though I think he's got the right mindset and lateral quickness to be average defensively right away. I don't think Mayo's ready to be a starter on a good team in the NBA, so we can get that out of the way immediately. Fortunately for him, he doesn't suffer in comparison vs. anybody else in this draft class in that sense. None of these guys are ready.

Newz · Post #105 » by **Newz** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 8:38 pm

I suppose I wouldn't like the pick... But you have to take a shot sometimes and try to get a superstar.

Mo and Redd both have value... And Mo could be an incredible 6th man if we needed him to move to that position.

Mayo has a ton of talent and could easily be the best player out of this draft. But the attitude problems and selfish play are things that you have to consider and that's the only reason he isn't the hands down number 1 choice in this draft... They've been talking about him since he was like 14, the guy has a ton of talent.

El Duderino · Post #106 » by **El Duderino** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 9:23 pm

emunney wrote:It seems like our disagreement stems more from how we view Mayo than how we'd build the team. I see Mayo as an excellent all-around player (in the future... in other words, he has the tools: shooting, lateral quickness, court vision, desire, work ethic) with standout shooting while you seem to see him as a standout shooter with little else.

And, truthfully, shooting currently may be his only NBA-ready skill, though I think he's got the right mindset and lateral quickness to be average defensively right away. I don't think Mayo's ready to be a starter on a good team in the NBA, so we can get that out of the way immediately. Fortunately for him, he doesn't suffer in comparison vs. anybody else in this draft class in that sense. None of these guys are ready.

I'll say up front i've only watched USC and Mayo play twice this year. From what i saw in those games, i like you didn't see much to say Mayo and Redd are fairly similar players.

Mayo is far more athletic, has a better body, handles the ball better, has better court vision, and looked to be a better defender.

Redd obviously is a much more skilled scorer at this point, but he should be given he has many years on Mayo. Maybe Mayo would never become the scorer that Redd is, but if he keeps his head on straight, i have a hard time not seeing Mayo being better than Redd in multiple other aspects of the game.

Oh, Mayo also won't be getting paid 17-18 million dollars.

Whoever we draft though, an ability to defend has to be a must. This franchise can't ever expect to defend decently if they don't start adding players that actually have the skill and desire to defend.

LUKE23 · Post #107 » by **LUKE23** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 9:54 pm

Mayo is WAY more explosive than Redd. That is the one thing that has kept Redd from getting to the top level SG tier. Mayo can explode off the dribble, leap, etc. But he is a volume/shooter scorer, and I'm just really hoping he is not BPA.

Bucks have to go BPA though. This team is so deficient of talent it's amazing.

europa · Post #108 » by **europa** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 10:57 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Mayo is WAY more explosive than Redd. That is the one thing that has kept Redd from getting to the top level SG tier. Mayo can explode off the dribble, leap, etc. But he is a volume/shooter scorer

This is what I see as well. No question he's more athletic than Redd but he is a guy who needs to shoot a lot to make an impact. If he's the best player on the board, then the Bucks need to trade him. All I'm saying is that they then should begin making plans to not only trade Redd, but Mo as well.

Then again, they might want to start making those plans regardless of who they end up with in the lottery.

Nowak008 · Post #109 » by **Nowak008** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 11:15 pm

ReddBogutCharlieV wrote:I think Mayo is the ultimate risk and reward player. He could end up being a superstar or he could end up being Qyntell Woods, I really don't see any in between.

Couldn't disagree more. Mayo has too much athletic/shooting ability to be a complete bust. He maybe cocky, but its because he has a desire to be great.

http://www.last.fm/user/DPF55 · Post #110 » by **Buck You** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 11:16 pm

Nowak008 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Couldn't disagree more. Mayo has too much athletic/shooting ability to be a complete bust. He maybe cocky, but its because he has a desire to be great.

You're probably right. But we will see. Your mental toughness is everything.

Post #111 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Mar 3, 2008 12:15 am

Of course Mayo's a scorer. He's an offensive force and the only legit option on a pretty bad USC team. Whatever team drafts him will do so in the hope that he's an eventual 24-26 ppg game type guy. But the idea that he'll bring little to the table unless he's scoring is ridiculous. His perimeter D is already better than anyone on the Bucks. He knows how to move the ball around and does so to a fault. Hell, he's averaging only half an assist less than Hinrich did as a senior at Kansas.

Personally, I'd really like a guy that can score 20 ppg as well as defend, pass, run the break and get steals. Not only that, but do it on the cheap for the next four years.

europa · Post #112 » by **europa** » Mon Mar 3, 2008 12:18 am

I'm not seeing the strong defense with Mayo. Very athletic, great scorer, clearly isn't lacking in the self-confidence department but I'm not seeing a defensive standout. Maybe I need to keep watching him more.

Post #113 » by **paulpressey25** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:35 am

Well....as thought OJ Mayo is fast climbing. DX now has him going Fifth overall, ahead of us.

http://www.draftexpress.com/

They've got us at #8 getting DeAndre Jordan

Post #114 » by **ReasonablySober** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:42 am

paulpressey25 wrote:Well....as thought OJ Mayo is fast climbing. DX now has him going Fifth overall, ahead of us.

http://www.draftexpress.com/

They've got us at #8 getting DeAndre Jordan

He's a project but we're not winning anything next season anyway. If the scouting department thinks he could be the real deal two years down the line then take him.

Seeing Gordon go one pick in front of us would hurt.