Why is usc offense so bad at times?

DDV · Post #1 » by **DDV** » Sat Feb 9, 2008 10:16 pm

with all that talent and athleltic ability i dont understand why they have so many games were theyre not jsut bad but atrocious offensively..

Griff83 · Post #2 » by **Griff83** » Sat Feb 9, 2008 10:31 pm

DDV wrote:with all that talent and athleltic ability i dont understand why they have so many games were theyre not jsut bad but atrocious offensively..

because there offense gets really selfish at times and certain players trying to more then they are capable of.

Post #3 » by **PhilipNelsonFan** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 1:15 am

O.J. Mayo doesn't play within the team offense for whatever reason, and he doesn't really look for the assist.

Davon Jefferson's hands aren't great and Taj Gibson doesn't have an offensive game outside of dunking.

The rest of the team outside of Daniel Hackett is talented athletically but they have no real offensive skills. Hackett has both.

priest · Post #4 » by **priest** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:42 pm

PhilipNelsonFan wrote:O.J. Mayo doesn't play within the team offense for whatever reason, and he doesn't really look for the assist.

Davon Jefferson's hands aren't great and Taj Gibson doesn't have an offensive game outside of dunking.

The rest of the team outside of Daniel Hackett is talented athletically but they have no real offensive skills. Hackett has both.

What!? oj's job is to shoot from the outside. the team isnt an offensive threat at all. hackett doesnt shoot that much

Post #5 » by **Doctor MJ** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:58 am

priest wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

What!? oj's job is to shoot from the outside.

If OJ's job is to be Steve Kerr, then 1) He's a huge disappointment as someone hyped to be an heir to Jordan and 2) He's a huge disappointment as a 3 point specialist.

theGreatRC · Post #6 » by **theGreatRC** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:04 am

Cause Flloyd doesn't know how to use OJ to his offensive capabilities. They need to ISO Mayo more and let him do his thing.

Toxicity · Post #7 » by **Toxicity** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:53 pm

Is it true that my countryman Dani Hackett is out for the season?

Griff83 · Post #8 » by **Griff83** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:33 pm

theGreatRC wrote:Cause Flloyd doesn't know how to use OJ to his offensive capabilities. They need to ISO Mayo more and let him do his thing.

You hardly see any iso's in college basketball

Wu_Wizardry · Post #9 » by **Wu_Wizardry** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:38 pm

IMO, Mayo is overrated. He doesn't have much speed. He is not a pure shooter. He's a scorer in the Iverson mode w/o Allen's heart and ball skills. At this point I can't see him making it to the NBA.

But it is early in his college career. If he concentrates on improving his game at the college level and puts the NBA aspirations on the back shelf, maybe he will surprise those of us who call him overrated.

Post #10 » by **PhilipNelsonFan** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:33 am

Toxicity wrote:Is it true that my countryman Dani Hackett is out for the season?

This is true. He suffered a stress fracture in his lower back. It does not require surgery, though, if you're interested in potential ramifications for the Italian NT.

OJ Mayo is a legit top-5 pick in the 2008 Draft and he will not chance another year at USC. There's obviously a serious offensive disconnect, but at the professional level that gap is probably bridged quicker.

bigballa3jj · Post #11 » by **bigballa3jj** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:16 pm

Wu_Wizardry wrote:IMO, Mayo is overrated. He doesn't have much speed. He is not a pure shooter. He's a scorer in the Iverson mode w/o Allen's heart and ball skills. At this point I can't see him making it to the NBA.

But it is early in his college career. If he concentrates on improving his game at the college level and puts the NBA aspirations on the back shelf, maybe he will surprise those of us who call him overrated.

are u saying you don't think he will get drafted????????????? :roll:

priest · Post #12 » by **priest** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:56 pm

Doctor MJ wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

If OJ's job is to be Steve Kerr, then 1) He's a huge disappointment as someone hyped to be an heir to Jordan and 2) He's a huge disappointment as a 3 point specialist.

I never said he was steve kerr but usc offense is so bad that he is just placed outside to shoot jumpers. there isnt any movement and oj isnt the only one looking bad on o. That offensive scheme is horrible

Wu_Wizardry · Post #13 » by **Wu_Wizardry** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:29 am

bigballa3jj wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

are u saying you don't think he will get drafted?????????????

He's not particularly fast or quick. He's not a great shooter or ball handler. If I was a GM I would not draft him at this point in his career. I can't predict what actual NBA execs will do.

Maybe he will prove me wrong. But I have been watching him since the beginning of the season to see what all the hype was about and have not been impressed.

If Mayo gets drafted this year and has any success early in his career, I will make sure to send you a mea culpa.

And you can save the stupid emoticons. Just discuss the topic at hand like an adult. There's room for reasonable minds to disagree on this topic.

Post #14 » by **King Roosk** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:26 am

How has Dwight Lewis been playing for the Trojans this year? I went to HS with him, and I always felt like he could be something special if he applied himself. He's got a body like younger T-mac (except Dwight's a bit shorter), he's got smooth moves to the hoop, and he can shoot it from the outside. Of course my recollections of Dwight are purely from HS as I haven't had any chance to watch USC play outside of national television broadcasts.

Post #15 » by **PhilipNelsonFan** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:11 am

King Roosk wrote:How has Dwight Lewis been playing for the Trojans this year? I went to HS with him, and I always felt like he could be something special if he applied himself. He's got a body like younger T-mac (except Dwight's a bit shorter), he's got smooth moves to the hoop, and he can shoot it from the outside. Of course my recollections of Dwight are purely from HS as I haven't had any chance to watch USC play outside of national television broadcasts.

Lewis has had a couple big games but for the most part he's a bit player. Floyd, for whatever reason, does not believe in a deep bench.

BTW, Hackett will likely be back in time for the NCAA tournament.

Wu_Wizardry · Post #16 » by **Wu_Wizardry** » Sat Mar 1, 2008 11:00 pm

Heard Jay Bilas say that OJ is the real deal on College Gameday this morning. He wasn't talking in the context of pro potential but said OJ is stepping up on defense and playing smarter offensively.

As Bilas is just about the best analyst out there, I will have to take a 2nd look @ Mayo.

Post #17 » by **Turisas** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 9:32 am

Mayo did look good against Arizona. Didn't force anything and played hard on both ends of the floor.

Village Idiot · Post #18 » by **Village Idiot** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 9:18 pm

Doctor MJ wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

If OJ's job is to be Steve Kerr, then 1) He's a huge disappointment as someone hyped to be an heir to Jordan and 2) He's a huge disappointment as a 3 point specialist.

Not that OJ Mayo should be compared to Jordan but:

As Freshman:

Jordan 13.5 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 1.8 apg
Mayo 20.7 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 3.0 apg

After his freshman year few were declaring future greatness for Michael Jordan. It is very seldom for a freshman guard to average 20 points like Mayo is. In any other class you without similar players like Gordon, Bayless and Rose, Mayo would be getting a lot more hyped. He has a package of skills which make him a tweener in a positive way. His defence is exceptional for a frosh as well.

How can you say a player making 40.9% of his 3's on a high number of attempts is not a good 3pt shooter?

Post #19 » by **Doctor MJ** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 10:45 pm

Village Idiot wrote:Not that OJ Mayo should be compared to Jordan but:

As Freshman:

Jordan 13.5 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 1.8 apg
Mayo 20.7 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 3.0 apg

After his freshman year few were declaring future greatness for Michael Jordan. It is very seldom for a freshman guard to average 20 points like Mayo is. In any other class you without similar players like Gordon, Bayless and Rose, Mayo would be getting a lot more hyped. He has a package of skills which make him a tweener in a positive way. His defence is exceptional for a frosh as well.

How can you say a player making 40.9% of his 3's on a high number of attempts is not a good 3pt shooter?

1) Jordan was on a title contender, Mayo's on a pretty average team (despite the fact that they were about as good last year without him)

2) Jordan was very efficient, Mayo is not.

3) Jordan was of course a late bloomer, Mayo was an early bloomer who has gotten progressively less impressive versus his peers over time. No reason at all to see that reversing.

4) Mayo's issue isn't that he's being overshadowed, it's that he's being flat disappointing.

5) The 3 point comparison was vs Kerr. Kerr shot 57% from 3 in college dude. I think it's obvious that shooting 17% worse than someone else warrants saying something negative.

JBoogs37 · Post #20 » by **JBoogs37** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 1:54 am

Floyd's system is no good. With those athletes they should be running like there's no tomorrow. Also, they need to let OJ run the show. Regardless of what people say, OJ is not a natural 2 or pure shooter or whatever. He is a scoring point. He needs the ball in his hands to make plays for himself and those around him. Watch USC when OJ is running the show...he controls the game well. But Floyd's offensive scheme is just horrendous for the personnel he has. They are best when they are on the move.