The Final Debate: Rick Adelman vs Jeff Van Gundy

McGrady2Head · Post #1 » by **McGrady2Head** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 5:50 pm

I know at the beginning of the season there were alot of us who were supporting Rick Adelman coming here, and alot of us who would rather have Van Gundy stay. There are alot of questions that needed to be answered. Can Yao play with Adelman's style? Will our defense be the same without Van Gundy? Will T-Mac believe in Adelman's new system? Was Jeff Van Gundy to 1-dimensional on offense? Who is the better motivator? Who is the better in-season coach that will be able to make better adjustments in the playoffs? After we have had a fair assessment of both coaches now, if you got to decide today who would be the coach for the rest of the T-Mac-Yao experiment, Rick Adelman or Jeff Van Gundy, who would you pick?

Baller 24 · Post #2 » by **Baller 24** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 5:54 pm

I'd personally take Rick, Jeff was a great coach I really liked him, and it wasn't that his offense was horrible or anything, it was a strong fundamental and simple offense. But after 3 tries in the playoffs to get this team to the next round, it was time to move on. I like what Rick has been doing, he plays at a more up tempo pace, and theres always a lot of movement on offense. But I'm going with Rick, but we still have to see until we get to the playoffs, and if its another 1st round exit then...we really won't know how strong we were as a team because one of our best players were injured.

jove9 · Post #3 » by **jove9** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 6:13 pm

Why are we pretending this will be the final debate?

McGrady2Head · Post #4 » by **McGrady2Head** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 6:49 pm

jove9 wrote:Why are we pretending this will be the final debate?

I really havent seen anyone mention anything about this in a month or two. it really is starting to die down, so i just wanted to see what the final outcome is

RoxFan08 · Post #5 » by **RoxFan08** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 6:54 pm

I'm with Jove. This won't be the last debate.

However:

I like and respect both coaches. Adelman's offense is beginning to see fruit, but he gets a lot of help from the Rockets' excellent defense, which was a direct product of JVG, as is their discipline.

I actually think JVG is a better coach. Adelman was able to build on the foundation he laid in ways Jeff wasn't able to. I'm very impressed with both coaches.

highrangeslang · Post #6 » by **highrangeslang** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 7:23 pm

Post #7 » by **dream34** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 7:53 pm

You really can't have the final debate until after the playoffs, when it really counts. And you might even have to wait until next year's, when we get Yao back.

If the Rockets get out of the first round without Yao this year, Adelman hands down is the better coach.

jove9 · Post #8 » by **jove9** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 8:16 pm

I'd say if we go seven games without Yao and lose, Adelman is still a better coach because he achieved the same thing Van Gundy did without one of his star players.

Then again, Van Gundy didn't have Scola, Landry, B. Jackson, and the rest. What he DID have was Ryan Bowen, Scott Padgett, and Juwan Howard.

They are both good coaches who specialize in different areas of the game.

There is no winner right now.

tisbee · Post #9 » by **tisbee** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 8:24 pm

JVG had a diff roster-no Scola,Landry,Brooks or now Jackson. I believe he took his team about as far as it would go.
I admit I wasn't that big a fan of Adelman but he has impressed me this yr in a number of ways. First,in not having so many no-effort-lay-down-like-dog games. Second,his teams aren't always falling behind early in 1Q and they come out of half-time focused.Third,he's making better use of the rest of the team-Tracy and Yao's scoring numbers are down,but the rest of the team's are up. Fourth,if anything he's managed to up the D a tad. Fifth,he was able to convince his GM to go out and get a vet back-up PG.
Short version,I like Adelman better,but w/caveat he has better talent.

Iggyemu · Post #10 » by **Iggyemu** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 9:09 pm

Why are we debating when we have no playoff games to compare Adelman.

CuttingEdge · Post #11 » by **CuttingEdge** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 9:24 pm

Adelman is damn lucky besides a slight edge in coaching. He happens to have a better team to work with than Van Gundy. I think Rick did improve Rafer's game and needs credit for that but when you got an international superstar 4 and an All-American 4 athe Rockets didn't have much of in the past to go along with the core and you got a hell of a team. Just substract Scola and Landry and Adelman would have a hell of time.

tha_rock220 · Post #12 » by **tha_rock220** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 9:46 pm

I pick Jeff. Adelman has had the most success this season applying JVG's principles and only adding pices of his offense. It's too bad it took Rick so long to realize the Rockets could only run a bastardized version of his offense because they lacked the shooter and athleticism and change back to what the Rockets are best at doing. I do applaud that part of him as a coach because despite my liking him, Van Gundy was very stubborn.

YoungMoney23 · Post #13 » by **YoungMoney23** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 10:44 pm

The Playoffs are the answer to this question.

aznkillabeezZz · Post #14 » by **aznkillabeezZz** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 11:29 pm

I hate it when jvg fans make excuses for him saying that his roster wasn't that good. Thats bs. He had 4 years to improve the roster draftwise or tradewise and he got the wrong players. Thats his fault. He had bonzi, vspan, that he barely used. Bonzi's proven to be good, vspan i never thought was given the opportunity aside from being a spot up shooter in garbage time.

Every role player we got made more impact than what jvg did with his roster. When JVG was here, it was all about yao and tmac. Now its about the team.

There is no way Landry or Brooks would've had a chance in JVG's roster. He would never give them the chance like adelman does.
JVG's mindset is all about vets. Remember Jon barry, Bob Sura, Juwan Howard, dikembe. He always talks about the mistakes rookies make, and that costs games. We played 3 freaking rookies and gave them minutes jvg never did and they played well.

Post #15 » by **TMU** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 11:35 pm

aznkillabeezZz wrote:I hate it when jvg fans make excuses for him saying that his roster wasn't that good. Thats bs. He had 4 years to improve the roster draftwise or tradewise and he got the wrong players. Thats his fault. He had bonzi, vspan, that he barely used. Bonzi's proven to be good, vspan i never thought was given the opportunity aside from being a spot up shooter in garbage time.

Every role player we got made more impact than what jvg did with his roster. When JVG was here, it was all about yao and tmac. Now its about the team.

There is no way Landry or Brooks would've had a chance in JVG's roster. He would never give them the chance like adelman does.
JVG's mindset is all about vets. Remember Jon barry, Bob Sura, Juwan Howard, dikembe. He always talks about the mistakes rookies make, and that costs games. We played 3 freaking rookies and gave them minutes jvg never did and they played well.

You have to blame the majority on Carroll Dawson. It's the GM who makes trades and drafts players.

aznkillabeezZz · Post #16 » by **aznkillabeezZz** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 11:36 pm

T-Mac United wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

You have to blame the majority on Carroll Dawson. It's the GM who makes trades and drafts players.

And you think the Coach has nothing to do with the decision? You're in lala land my friend. Coach plays a big part on telling what the team needs and wants. He knows the best of his team. Adelman made a decision no one else would've made after a horrible year by resigning bonzi. He played a large part in drafting brooks, he played a large part in getting bobby jackson.

Post #17 » by **TMU** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 11:58 pm

aznkillabeezZz wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

And you think the Coach has nothing to do with the decision? You're in lala land my friend. Coach plays a big part on telling what the team needs and wants. He knows the best of his team. Adelman made a decision no one else would've made after a horrible year by resigning bonzi. He played a large part in drafting brooks, he played a large part in getting bobby jackson.

I said the "majority" of the blame. The coach can tell the GM he needs an X-type personnel on his team, and the GM looks for the guy who fits that criteria and finalizes a deal.

Mitch Kupchak traded for Gasol, Danny Ainge acquired Garnett, and Steve Kerr finalized the deal to get Shaq. NOT Phil Jackson, Doc Rivers, or Mike D'Antoni.

Another example? LeBron didn't ask Mike Brown to get Jason Kidd when Kidd was on the block for the same reasons.

Hell, you see GMs on draft nights NOT head coaches.

ANOTHER FACT: Bonzi wasn't resigned by Adelman, he had a player's option and he picked it up instead of becoming a free agent. Now, Bonzi may picked up his option because RA was named as our head coach, but it was still his decision to do so.

aznkillabeezZz · Post #18 » by **aznkillabeezZz** » Mon Mar 3, 2008 12:30 am

Head coaches have everything to do with it too. The coach also has to sign and approve the trade to make it happen. So Coaches have equal power with the gm to sign a player. And we all know Adelman advised to get brooks and bobby jackson.

Amel · Post #19 » by **Amel** » Mon Mar 3, 2008 2:16 am

Ask me

the biggest JVG hater..

Amel · Post #20 » by **Amel** » Mon Mar 3, 2008 2:18 am

aznkillabeezZz wrote:I hate it when jvg fans make excuses for him saying that his roster wasn't that good. Thats bs. He had 4 years to improve the roster draftwise or tradewise and he got the wrong players. Thats his fault. He had bonzi, vspan, that he barely used. Bonzi's proven to be good, vspan i never thought was given the opportunity aside from being a spot up shooter in garbage time.

Every role player we got made more impact than what jvg did with his roster. When JVG was here, it was all about yao and tmac. Now its about the team.

There is no way Landry or Brooks would've had a chance in JVG's roster. He would never give them the chance like adelman does.
JVG's mindset is all about vets. Remember Jon barry, Bob Sura, Juwan Howard, dikembe. He always talks about the mistakes rookies make, and that costs games. We played 3 freaking rookies and gave them minutes jvg never did and they played well.

tell em how it is :clap:

I got tired of explaining why the guy had to go

people got used to him, just like people reelected george bush in 2004