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Post#1 » by MELO4MVP » Mon Mar 3, 2008 3:58 am

Can someone tell me the good things that the Denver Nuggets got when they received A.I.?

1.He suppose to take double teams off of Carmelo and that hasn't happened
2. He was suppose to make the Nuggets better and that hasn't happened
3. He was suppose to make Carmelo a better player and that hasn't happened
4. He was suppose to stop caring about scoring and that hasn't happened
5. He suppose to care about winning and that hasn't happened or at least he doesn't play like it

How has he helped the Denver Nuggets?
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Post#2 » by MELO4MVP » Mon Mar 3, 2008 4:05 am

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Post#3 » by airchibundo507 » Mon Mar 3, 2008 4:10 am

MELO4MVP wrote:Can someone tell me the good things that the Denver Nuggets got when they received A.I.?

1.He suppose to take double teams off of Carmelo and that hasn't happened
2. He was suppose to make the Nuggets better and that hasn't happened
3. He was suppose to make Carmelo a better player and that hasn't happened
4. He was suppose to stop caring about scoring and that hasn't happened
5. He suppose to care about winning and that hasn't happened or at least he doesn't play like it

How has he helped the Denver Nuggets?


AI hasn't made denver better at all. He's only made denver worse defensively.

#1. LMBAO at AI taking off melo's double team. Melo took off AI's double team. AI gets single coverage every night. melo is seeing 2-3 three defenders whenever he posts up.

#3. AI has made melo a more selfish player...because he is phased out of the offense a lot of times. the ONLY way he has helped melo is by making melo grab boards (especially offensive boards) whenever he doesn't get the ball on offense.

#4. ROFLMBAO. at the start of the season the midget said that he wanted melo to win the scoring title. tonight: iverson 7-22 FG; melo 7-17 so much for that predicition. iverson dominates the ball and phases melo out of the offense.
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Post#4 » by MELO4MVP » Mon Mar 3, 2008 4:14 am

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Post#5 » by JRmakes_it_rain » Mon Mar 3, 2008 4:31 am

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AI hasn't made denver better at all. He's only made denver worse defensively.

#1. LMBAO at AI taking off melo's double team. Melo took off AI's double team. AI gets single coverage every night. melo is seeing 2-3 three defenders whenever he posts up.

#3. AI has made melo a more selfish player...because he is phased out of the offense a lot of times. the ONLY way he has helped melo is by making melo grab boards (especially offensive boards) whenever he doesn't get the ball on offense.

#4. ROFLMBAO. at the start of the season the midget said that he wanted melo to win the scoring title. tonight: iverson 7-22 FG; melo 7-17 so much for that predicition. iverson dominates the ball and phases melo out of the offense.



I like the fact that somebody else can see this....I think back to AI saying that he's won enough scoring titles, and how he had no problem deferring to other players, or after the Kings game when he got here, and people were begging him to shoot more. I can't believe how hard he tried to get other players the ball, and this was with Melo, JR, K-mart not playing. Now he gets almost a full team, and what's he do? Jack more and more. AI needs to run the point, and make an effort to not just shoot, and not dribble down the length of the floor, not let anybody else touch it, and jack. If this team would run a simple motion offense, cutting, pass and screen away....I'd be a little more happy.
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Post#6 » by MELO4MVP » Mon Mar 3, 2008 4:38 am

He ruined Carmelo, I think we should accept Carmelo for who he is now. He won't get better with A.I. on this team. Its a shame that dude actually goes games without even scoring 20 points. A.I. was the death of this team. We were doing a good job building around him. Had a pass first pg, a good and young low post big, a defensive center, a young sg with unbelievable potential, and 2 picks, in which we could've got a good point guard. A.I killed this team.
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Post#7 » by Ballin02 » Mon Mar 3, 2008 4:46 am

1.) Iverson plays on the total opposite end then Melo. So there for he cannot help him on that situation especially when he cannot even help himself out with the double teams. So I guess they haven't really helped eachother out with that. Melos double teams come from A.) when he stand around waiting for them instead of taking advantage of his man (which he does 90% of the time) or B.) AC's man going to help out on Melo...when he waits for them instead of taking advantage of his man. I wish Nene was there because at least then teams would be more relunctant to double him in the post. When Iverson drives and kicks and the defense colapses on him everyone benefits...the same way when Melo gets doubled in the post that everyone benefits. Please stop acting like its one sided.

2.) The Nuggets seemingly not being better can boil down to a number of things.
A.) The fact that this team seems to have no offensive sets other then standing around and watching Iverson or Carmelo make a play. B.) The fact that they have had a number of injuries to key players. C.) They don't seem to play a lick of defense.
D.) Coach Karl seems to not be the right Coach at this point. But even with that keep in mind that the Nuggets team is off to one of its best starts in recent memory. This time last year I beleive that team was just a few games over .500. The West is very tough this year. So it makes things look even worse then it really is.

3.) Melos numbers have actually gone up with the esception of scoring. Which anyone with commen sense would expect given that he is playing next to another dominate scorer. The same way Melo is not going to average 30 ppg. playing on a team with another dominate scorer is the same way Iverson is not. Nor should they have to with this team. It is up to Carmelo to make himself a better player as well. True great players don't allow other players to "stunt their growth" nor do they need other players to will them to want to win. Carmelo's main problem seems to be that he picks and choses which teams he wants to show up for. He seems to be content in hiding behind Iversons leadership. You can't do that and walk around calling yourself a "Superstar". Iverson has come there and been a big brother to Melo. At this point the only person stopping Melo from being a leader and a dominate player is Carmelo. Unfortounatly for him having heart is something that cannot be taught...either you have it or you don't.

4.) I think you are a tad bit confused on why Iverson was brought to this team. He wasn't brought there to defer to Melo on every play (which is what I think you want him to do). He was brought there for his scoring (you do know he's a prolific scorer right?) and to try to help lead this team to where they need to go. So far it seems like only half the players on that roster are down with wanting to play hard everynight. Which is unfortounate. Again, its obvious that Iverson has sacrificed because he's averaging about six points less then what he has averaged over the past like 8 years. And I beleive averages less shots per game then Carmelo. So please just stop. You don't make a major trade for one of the best offensive threats in the league to completely take away from what makes him special. How does that make any sense to you?

5.) LOL @ this last assumption. He seems to be one of the only ones on that pathetic team that cares about winning. So i'm trying to figure out what the heck your even talking about. You might want to take a look at that roster (especially your favorite player) and try again.

To answer your last question of how Iverson has helped them out... His presense on the floor always gives them a chance to win (you can say that about very few players in the league). If it wasn't for that guy that team would probably be struggling to even be a .500 team the way they play. He has brought more of a spotlight to Denver then they ever had before he got there. Even with Carmelo, Denver never had this much attention. And if he leaves, he'll take all that attention he brought that Franchise with him. Denver is one of the biggest box office draws on the road as a result of having him there. The Nuggets have certainly benefited more off of Iverson then he has off of them, thats for sure. The blame for this team can be spread all around, Iverson can have some of it (considering he seems to be the only leader they have)...and i'm sure people like you are comfortible and accustomed to blaming him for everything anyways. But your problem is not with what he supposidly hasn't done, your problem is what he has done. You wanted Iverson to come to Denver and not be the superstar he is so Carmelo can shine. And you don't like Iverson there because as long as he's there Melo won't be able to shine the way some of you want him to. The only problem is Melo will never be able to shine next to bigger stars and alpha dog players. It wouldn't matter if Melo was playing next to Iverson, Kobe, Lebron or KG... when you are a player that seems to care about only yourself and comes across as lazy, you get exposed playing next to players that play hard everynight. Thats life.

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Post#8 » by Ballin02 » Mon Mar 3, 2008 4:49 am

LOL @ you idiots in here ranting about Iverson supposidly ruining Carmelo. And all of you have one thing in commen....your Carmelo homers. With exception of the JR "homer" that just wants Iverson to play the point so that JR (the lesser player) can play at SG. Give me a break. You people have to be 12 yrs old. I'm out.
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Post#9 » by Nuggetsfanduh98 » Mon Mar 3, 2008 4:53 am

Ballin02 wrote:LOL @ you idiots in here ranting about Iverson supposidly ruining Carmelo. And all of you have one thing in commen....your Carmelo homers. With exception of the JR "homer" that just wants Iverson to play the point so that JR (the lesser player) can play at SG. Give me a break. You people have to be 12 yrs old. I'm out.


We also have a AI homer in this thread/ I don't wanna get mixed up in this sort of thing over the internet. All I got to say is I look forward to watching this team play and when we lsoe it ruins my night but when we play like this I wish I could have my night back/
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Post#10 » by MELO4MVP » Mon Mar 3, 2008 4:54 am

Hiding behind A.I leadeship? What leadership has A.I. shown since he got here? Is it because he say the right thing in the papers? It surely doesn't show on the floor. Don't give me that "A.I. plays hard every game" bull****. Playing hard in A.I. standards mean always shooting and gambling for steals. He doesn't take a charge, attempt to guard his man, attempt to look for teammates. I'm not even gonna read the rest of your post.
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Post#11 » by corona » Mon Mar 3, 2008 5:02 am

MELO4MVP wrote:A thread not bashing A.I.


MELO4MVP wrote:Hiding behind A.I leadeship? What leadership has A.I. shown since he got here? Is it because he say the right thing in the papers? It surely doesn't show on the floor. Don't give me that "A.I. plays hard every game" bull****. Playing hard in A.I. standards mean always shooting and gambling for steals. He doesn't take a charge, attempt to guard his man, attempt to look for teammates. I'm not even gonna read the rest of your post.


wait...what?

your questions have been answered.
we have an entire thread dedicated to critiquing iverson...use it instead of creating a new one (or 3) after every loss.
read your pm(s), melo4mvp.

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