what if we actually DO get Fran next season...

OrlandoMagic · Post #21 » by **OrlandoMagic** » Sat Mar 1, 2008 9:13 pm

craig01 wrote:FV = Stromile Swift with less talent.

In other words.......a box of rocks.

A box of rocks just might be the thing thats gets this team over the hump and wins a championship.

Post #22 » by **ORL** » Sat Mar 1, 2008 9:39 pm

drsd wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

This is often not true. Young players for example are essentially never played. As well, teams are generally formed around mobile bigs (like Gortat). Only Serbian and Croatian basketball uses the big-lug approach.

If Vazquez evolves into the next Adrew DeClerq, he will probably find a roster slot in the NBA.

Care to elaborate??

Optimus_Steel · Post #23 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Sat Mar 1, 2008 10:17 pm

craig01 wrote:FV = Stromile Swift with less talent.

In other words.......a box of rocks.

Thats still better than Epat and Auggie.

Catledge · Post #24 » by **Catledge** » Sat Mar 1, 2008 11:28 pm

richboy wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

This has been studied in the past. John H did a big article on it. Simply put though if your not productive in Europe your not going to be productive in the NBA.

I think the longer Battie doesn't play the better he gets in the minds of fans. Last I remember Battie was horrible. I would say that his defense is the only aspect of his game that has any use. Seems like the longer he doesn't play the better he getting.

Let me ask you if your Boston or Detroit and the Magic sign Fran V and bring back Battie is that making you shake.

Totally agree with you, Richboy (never thought I'd say that). The suggestion that Fran will play better against bigger, stronger, and more talented opposition seems rather absurd to me. And Battie isn't even a legit starter in this league.

spinedoc · Post #25 » by **spinedoc** » Sat Mar 1, 2008 11:45 pm

prorl wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Thats still better than Epat and Auggie.

He wouldn't have to do much to earn Gortat's minutes either.

Last Guardian · Post #26 » by **Last Guardian** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 2:41 am

craig01 wrote:FV = Stromile Swift with less talent.

In other words.......a box of rocks.

Alright, tell us how many times you have seen him play to make such a judgement.

NEM · Post #27 » by **NEM** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 3:41 am

if we get fran he will help a hell of a lot more than any draft pick because he'd be ready...it wold also allow us to sign a sg for the MLE and draft a PG

otownflava21 · Post #28 » by **otownflava21** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 4:02 am

RawLewD12 wrote:if we get fran he will help a hell of a lot more than any draft pick because he'd be ready...it wold also allow us to sign a sg for the MLE and draft a PG

exactly

Post #29 » by **craig01** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 3:39 pm

Solid Snake wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Alright, tell us how many times you have seen him play to make such a judgement.

Haven't much.

Don't need to.

The guy does not produce.

Last Guardian · Post #30 » by **Last Guardian** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 3:57 pm

craig01 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Haven't much.

Don't need to.

The guy does not produce.

You need to watch someone play to determine their basketball IQ. What if people didn't watch Dwight? By his production, they would think his bball IQ was high, and that isn't the case.

All we know is Fran couldn't put up numbers on his europe team. A different case, but somewhat like Mo Evans sucked on the Lakers, but is okay on the Magic.

Post #31 » by **craig01** » Sun Mar 2, 2008 4:21 pm

Still, he's 25 years old and in his athletic prime.

He's played for years and does not get PT.

I'll give you the thought that #'s , especially for bigs in Europe, can be skewed by their style of play.........but FV shows few signs of growth.

The reports that I have read always have the same gist about him.....not involved, lost, not productive, etc.......and his statistical measures support those claims.

I could be wrong about him, but really, at his age and with the opportunities that he has had to succeed, don't give me any hope that he's anything more than a novelty.

richboy · Post #32 » by **richboy** » Mon Mar 3, 2008 9:56 am

drsd wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

This is often not true. Young players for example are essentially never played. As well, teams are generally formed around mobile bigs (like Gortat). Only Serbian and Croatian basketball uses the big-lug approach.

If Vazquez evolves into the next Adrew DeClerq, he will probably find a roster slot in the NBA.

I can't think of one player that received playing time in Euroleague that was better in the NBA. Seems like every big that is struggling in Europe though has that mantra.

Who knows what Fran is thinking. He didn't think he was good enough when he was playing well. One thing to consider is I believe there is a rule that allows Fran to negotiate a contract above the rookie scale using the Magic MLE. I believe that rule applies for rookies that sit out a number of years after being drafted in first round.

lovehoops01 · Post #33 » by **lovehoops01** » Mon Mar 3, 2008 10:00 am

Good luck on that one. In my opinion, the Magic shouldn't do anything extra for this guy. He humiliated them internationally and they have no idea if he'll even be able to play over here. Better to err by never signing him than to give him something he doesn't deserve after all of that. I certainly wouldn't plan the whole summer around him.

knappy · Post #34 » by **knappy** » Mon Mar 3, 2008 7:09 pm

screw her - we had better trade her for a late first rounder with another team

MagicalMan · Post #35 » by **MagicalMan** » Mon Mar 3, 2008 8:10 pm

Big Aaron wrote:A lot of people say because Fran is not good in Europe, he'll not work in the NBA.

How do you know? Ever thought that it's his style that doesn't work in the European game, but would in the NBA?

Euroball is a totally different animal to the NBA. I think Fran's game would translate well to the NBA. Not superstar-well, but still well enough to be a solid contributor to the Magic cause.

Im not very familiar with the European style game other than watching team USA in international play. But has there been anyone that stunk it up in Europe and later flourished in the NBA?