Magz50 wrote:haha another thread that illustrates how badly under the radar the Spurs are:
PG: Parker/ Stoudamire/Vaughn
SG: Ginobili/ Finley/ Barry
SF: Bowen/ Udoka
PF: Duncan/ Horry/ Bonner
C: K. Thomas/ Oberto
I was thinking the samething.
Best 15 man roster in NBA?
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Bucky O'Hare wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Stuckey: 6.1 ppg on 37% from the field and 12% from downtown.
Afflalo: 3.3 ppg on 41% from the field and 20% from downtown.
Not exactly lighting the NBA world on fire.
They are rookies, and they're playing everyday minutes on the team with the 2nd best record in the league. The same team that hasn't had a rookie in the rotation in 6 years (Mehmet Okur). That is a success in it's own right, but both have shown flashes of being very good players in this league. As with most rookies, there are ups and downs.
Your knock on the Pistons' frontcourt is pretty ridiculous. Rasheed Wallace, Antonio McDyess, Amir Johnson, Jason Maxiell, and Theo Ratliff is one of the deepest frontcourts in the league. Pairing 2 of the best shotblockers in the league (Amir and Ratliff) with one of the best man-to-man post defenders (Rasheed). Outside shooting (Sheed, Dice). Inside finishers (Amir, Max).
As for the thread, It's close between LA and Detroit 1-15.
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I think the Lakers, Pistons, Spurs and Celtics (no order) are the four best teams in the league and that's reflected in their entire rosters. Other teams not on this poll that are up there imo are the Raptors and Warriors, both combining star power at the top with a solid bench and end-of-bench guys who aren't half bad.
Stuckey may not be shooting that well from the field but he's been passing the ball well and playing aggressive defence. I've been cautiously impressed so far. For a 6'5" combo-guard, he seems to be able to have those heads-up qualities teams look for in guys who can play significant minutes at PG.
HTF does Detroit have one of the worst frontcourts in the league? While I think the Pistons' lack of a big-time seven-footer in their big weakness, the forward positions are nice and if Ratliff is healthy (big if there) he can give them at least some of what they lack. Prince/Sheed/Dice and then young hustle guys works nicely. Having Amir Johnson, Jason Maxiell and Walter Herrmann just sitting there is a luxury that a lot of teams would kill to have. What it reminds me of is how the Raptors have Kris Humphries, who plays well when he's in the game but even gets DNP-CDs at times because of our depth.
I don't think the Cavs are too great 1-15. Their 1 (LeBron) is amazing, their 2 (Z) is a solid guy who can cause headaches... and then the rest of the team consists of glorified bench players. Ben Wallace is washed-up, Wally is okay but nowhere near the third wheels of the elite teams, Gibson still has to become better at initiating the offence and setting the tone on defence... that team has some unresolved issues but hey, it's also got $472057285782758 worth of expirings this summer.
Stuckey may not be shooting that well from the field but he's been passing the ball well and playing aggressive defence. I've been cautiously impressed so far. For a 6'5" combo-guard, he seems to be able to have those heads-up qualities teams look for in guys who can play significant minutes at PG.
HTF does Detroit have one of the worst frontcourts in the league? While I think the Pistons' lack of a big-time seven-footer in their big weakness, the forward positions are nice and if Ratliff is healthy (big if there) he can give them at least some of what they lack. Prince/Sheed/Dice and then young hustle guys works nicely. Having Amir Johnson, Jason Maxiell and Walter Herrmann just sitting there is a luxury that a lot of teams would kill to have. What it reminds me of is how the Raptors have Kris Humphries, who plays well when he's in the game but even gets DNP-CDs at times because of our depth.
I don't think the Cavs are too great 1-15. Their 1 (LeBron) is amazing, their 2 (Z) is a solid guy who can cause headaches... and then the rest of the team consists of glorified bench players. Ben Wallace is washed-up, Wally is okay but nowhere near the third wheels of the elite teams, Gibson still has to become better at initiating the offence and setting the tone on defence... that team has some unresolved issues but hey, it's also got $472057285782758 worth of expirings this summer.
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Serpo wrote:From 1-15 it's the Pistons , Lakers got too many scrubs at the end of the bench .
Strangely enough the Detroit board seems to favor the Celtics in the East
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Bucky O'Hare wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
The Pistons bench if trifling. Afflalo and Stuckey have both been major disappointments, and Johnson and Maxiell are nothing special. There's a reason they were forced to pickup old washed up Theo Ratliff - their front court is amongst the worst in the league.
Dude you got no idea what you're talking about. Try to watch some basketball games. Piston fans are more than happy with Afflalo and Stuckey, Max is solid and Amir IS something special.
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Seriously don't know how the Jazz got left off the poll. Not necessarily saying that they are #1, but they are definitely in the conversation.
I'm confused as to the question, though. Is this a "best team in the league" debate? That should be obvious, as the Lakers just added a top 15 or 20 player for nothing, who just happened to fill almost every need they had as a team.
But if this is combining future prospects with the current level of play, while also factoring in age/potential, you can't name me a better roster than the Jazz. Boozer and Deron as a dominant inside/out combo that are both still developing. Okur in his prime as a perfect offensive complement to Booz and a nice rebounder (and defender, when motivated). AK, a potentially dominant force who has been compromised because he doesn't fit the ideal that Jerry Sloan has for his system, but a player who can literally do anything on the floor you ask him to do at a relatively high level. Brewer, an up and coming 2 guard with amazing potential. Millsap, a young beast who would probably start for half the teams in the league, and has the potential to break out if given the PT. Then you add the sweet shooting Korver off the bench, a guy who's defense has completely been undersold. Harpring, a tough vet who brings leadership and intimidation to the floor. Finally you have the prospets, Morris Almond, CJ Miles and Kyrylo Fesenko. Almond brings a perfect blend of shooting, intelligence and movement to the team, along with great rebounding from the 2 spot. CJ is an all around player with a very nice stroke and a feel for the game that very few have. Struggling with maturity issues, but will eventually be a solid player in the league. Fesenko has the potential to be a defensive force in the paint that we sorely lack, with top notch shot blocking and great tenacity.
Top to bottom, there isn't a better combination of now and future prospects in the NBA. LA, Boston, SA and maybe Pho/Dal/NO/Det have better rosters for this season, while Portland could have a better core for the future, but I can't see a better combination of the two.
I'm confused as to the question, though. Is this a "best team in the league" debate? That should be obvious, as the Lakers just added a top 15 or 20 player for nothing, who just happened to fill almost every need they had as a team.
But if this is combining future prospects with the current level of play, while also factoring in age/potential, you can't name me a better roster than the Jazz. Boozer and Deron as a dominant inside/out combo that are both still developing. Okur in his prime as a perfect offensive complement to Booz and a nice rebounder (and defender, when motivated). AK, a potentially dominant force who has been compromised because he doesn't fit the ideal that Jerry Sloan has for his system, but a player who can literally do anything on the floor you ask him to do at a relatively high level. Brewer, an up and coming 2 guard with amazing potential. Millsap, a young beast who would probably start for half the teams in the league, and has the potential to break out if given the PT. Then you add the sweet shooting Korver off the bench, a guy who's defense has completely been undersold. Harpring, a tough vet who brings leadership and intimidation to the floor. Finally you have the prospets, Morris Almond, CJ Miles and Kyrylo Fesenko. Almond brings a perfect blend of shooting, intelligence and movement to the team, along with great rebounding from the 2 spot. CJ is an all around player with a very nice stroke and a feel for the game that very few have. Struggling with maturity issues, but will eventually be a solid player in the league. Fesenko has the potential to be a defensive force in the paint that we sorely lack, with top notch shot blocking and great tenacity.
Top to bottom, there isn't a better combination of now and future prospects in the NBA. LA, Boston, SA and maybe Pho/Dal/NO/Det have better rosters for this season, while Portland could have a better core for the future, but I can't see a better combination of the two.
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I dont want to sound like a homer, but the spurs definately have to be included:
ok, they oly have 14 players but they are champions for a reason and the least important 2 man would have to be:
mahinmi (some teams would love to use him off the bench)
vaughn (last year he was a big part of our chamionship-run)
and if you want, just adda rondom league-player which had his run with the team this season (williams, washingtn, ...)
which leaves guys like barry, stoudamire, thomas/oberto, horry, udoka, bonner not to mention manu coming of the bench
other than that i really like what detroit has, but LA should be in the running too!
ok, they oly have 14 players but they are champions for a reason and the least important 2 man would have to be:
mahinmi (some teams would love to use him off the bench)
vaughn (last year he was a big part of our chamionship-run)
and if you want, just adda rondom league-player which had his run with the team this season (williams, washingtn, ...)
which leaves guys like barry, stoudamire, thomas/oberto, horry, udoka, bonner not to mention manu coming of the bench
other than that i really like what detroit has, but LA should be in the running too!
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When it comes to the ENTIRE 15 person roster you have to go with the Pistons.
However, the Lakers have better starters and better immediate bench. When the Lakers are healthy these are the players who get minutes off the bench.
Jordan Farmar - One of the best back up PG in the NBA if not the best. Great 3 point shooter. Great at penetrating the basket and can run an offense. Also plays great hustle defense.
Sasha - I would have never said it at the beginning of the year, but Sasha may be the best pure shooter on the Lakers. When he is on, he is unstoppable.
Vlad Rad - Another great 3 point shooter. Deadly from range and hard to guard cause he is 6' 10''.
Trevor Ariza - Great for getting alley oops and playing hustle defense. Was really coming along nicely before breaking his foot.
Luke Walton - Knows the triangle offense better than anyone on the Lakers not name Kobe. Amazing passer and good rebounder. Hustles, but needs to finish more (since he has begun starting he has upped his game)
Ronny Turiaf - A great player to have as your 11th man on the bench. Has more heart (literally
) than anyone on the Lakers. Gets big time blocks and plays good defense. A little undersized, but you can't ask Ronny to give you anymore than the 105% he gives every time he is on the floor.
However, the Lakers have better starters and better immediate bench. When the Lakers are healthy these are the players who get minutes off the bench.
Jordan Farmar - One of the best back up PG in the NBA if not the best. Great 3 point shooter. Great at penetrating the basket and can run an offense. Also plays great hustle defense.
Sasha - I would have never said it at the beginning of the year, but Sasha may be the best pure shooter on the Lakers. When he is on, he is unstoppable.
Vlad Rad - Another great 3 point shooter. Deadly from range and hard to guard cause he is 6' 10''.
Trevor Ariza - Great for getting alley oops and playing hustle defense. Was really coming along nicely before breaking his foot.
Luke Walton - Knows the triangle offense better than anyone on the Lakers not name Kobe. Amazing passer and good rebounder. Hustles, but needs to finish more (since he has begun starting he has upped his game)
Ronny Turiaf - A great player to have as your 11th man on the bench. Has more heart (literally
) than anyone on the Lakers. Gets big time blocks and plays good defense. A little undersized, but you can't ask Ronny to give you anymore than the 105% he gives every time he is on the floor.-
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You could debate whether the Jazz or the Hornets have a better starting 5, it's pretty close either way. Paul > Deron, but only by a little. Brewer > MoPete, AK = > Peja, Boozer > West, although that's pretty close. Chandler > Okur with different styles. The Jazz certainly have a better bench than New Orleans does, even after the trade deadline. If you're including NO, you need to include Utah without question.
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The Detroit Pistons.
You can tell how good a team is by which players DON'T make the roster.
We cut Flip Murray, who could eventually start for the Pacers (was their primary backup for the past two games). We traded Carlos Delfino to the Raptors for esentially nothing, and recently he's been their sixth man. We traded Nazr Mohammed who is now a Bobcats starter. We gave Primoz Brezec to Toronto despite C being our weakest position.
All of this, because we had faith in Rodney Stuckey, Amir Johnson, and Jason Maxiell. Any production out of Arron Afflalo, a reach at the end of the first-round, is a luxury.
Stuckey/Dixon/Hayes/Johnson/Maxiell+Afflalo/Ratliff+Hermann/Hunter/Samb
Essentially three rookies are active (Stuckey/Johnson/Afflalo), two of which are currently in the rotation. Hayes/Ratliff/Dixon/Hermann are in their first (partial) seasons with the Pistons, and three of them haven't come close to maximum gellage with the team.
Samb is dominating the D-League, as was Sammy Mejia, a second-rounder who narrowly missed making the roster at the beginning of the year.
You can tell how good a team is by which players DON'T make the roster.
We cut Flip Murray, who could eventually start for the Pacers (was their primary backup for the past two games). We traded Carlos Delfino to the Raptors for esentially nothing, and recently he's been their sixth man. We traded Nazr Mohammed who is now a Bobcats starter. We gave Primoz Brezec to Toronto despite C being our weakest position.
All of this, because we had faith in Rodney Stuckey, Amir Johnson, and Jason Maxiell. Any production out of Arron Afflalo, a reach at the end of the first-round, is a luxury.
Stuckey/Dixon/Hayes/Johnson/Maxiell+Afflalo/Ratliff+Hermann/Hunter/Samb
Essentially three rookies are active (Stuckey/Johnson/Afflalo), two of which are currently in the rotation. Hayes/Ratliff/Dixon/Hermann are in their first (partial) seasons with the Pistons, and three of them haven't come close to maximum gellage with the team.
Samb is dominating the D-League, as was Sammy Mejia, a second-rounder who narrowly missed making the roster at the beginning of the year.
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