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Post#41 » by isekii » Mon Mar 3, 2008 8:37 pm

EFF wrote:I'm afraid Marcus is gonna give up competing for the starting spot. That'll put him right back where he started when Kidd was here.

You can already tell it's happening the way the coach and the crowd favor Devin.


Do we really care ?
He doesn't even look like he's trying out there most of the time.
He's at best trade bait in the off season IMO.. especially with Harris hear.
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Post#42 » by Birth of the Cool » Mon Mar 3, 2008 9:04 pm

isekii wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Do we really care ?
He doesn't even look like he's trying out there most of the time.
He's at best trade bait in the off season IMO.. especially with Harris hear.


I disagree with this. Marcus is on a rookie contract and in most circumstances you just won't get value back (either another team giving up on their young prospect or tying Marcus contract to bigger contract like VC for example).

Harris is not even five games into his career as a Net and while he has shown spark let's not assume he will be so good that his play demands he dominates the minutes at the 1, and let's not forget Marcus is still a very young player that will likely only get better.

NBA teams are always short of two things, a good 5 and a good 1. Nets Mgmt are probably very pleased they have the potential to have a solid PG rotation and I would be vary wary to give that strength up.
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Post#43 » by EFF » Tue Mar 4, 2008 3:45 pm

Marcus needs to man up. I was just about to write "poor guy. he only gets passed over. and this time by a new guy about the same age." Then i realized it's up to him.
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Post#44 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Mar 4, 2008 4:02 pm

Marcus has to man up, play solid basketball and stop being a moper!!! Play to the best of your abilities every night and good things will happen, if not on this team, on another team that give you a starting job if you present yourself well. We can't feel sorry for him because he is a 6th man on an NBA roster!! he needs to be professional.
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Re: Harris has to start for the nets to be successful 

Post#45 » by lurkingobeiscity » Wed Mar 5, 2008 1:16 am

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I think that Marcus's game might be better suited to starting at least temporarily.

And anyway, it's not as if Harris isn't getting playing time.


Agreed. Also I'd like to see Marcus' trade value continue to improve.
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Post#46 » by EFF » Wed Mar 5, 2008 3:16 pm

I agree with whoever said we should use Devin like PHX uses Barbosa. Devin, for all his talent, doesn't seem to be able to manage the team. You also have to evaluate it based on the strengths of a player. Do we want Devin to be a floor general? No, that would be a waste of his skill set. Let Marcus run the offense and have Devin run wild....like barbosa. It would be a waste to make Devin trot up the floor and run a play when he'd be much more effective playing loose and running mad.
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Post#47 » by EFF » Thu Mar 6, 2008 4:02 am

Devin's been starting....now where's my success
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Post#48 » by Serpo » Thu Mar 6, 2008 4:06 am

Devin has to stop to constantly fire 3pointers when he's obviosly not feeling it ....
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Post#49 » by lurkingobeiscity » Thu Mar 6, 2008 4:18 am

Serpo wrote:Devin has to stop to constantly fire 3pointers when he's obviosly not feeling it ....


He was open. The problem comes when he stops shooting those.
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Post#50 » by Serpo » Thu Mar 6, 2008 4:22 am

Some of them where stupid with a lot of time on the shotclock , i'm fine with it when somebody is under the basket to maybe grab a rebound , but not this way.
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Post#51 » by Pedro Pistolas » Thu Mar 6, 2008 4:28 am

Like I've said before Devin is not a true point guard. He's a good 6th man on a playoff team. Only way I retract from these points is if Devin improves his passing DRASTICALLY
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Post#52 » by Birth of the Cool » Thu Mar 6, 2008 5:22 am

Maybe he's not 100% yet or not back in tip top game shape and maybe we'll only see him at his best at the very end of the season or only next season.

Right now his passes seem a bit off (but we've been spoiled w/ Kidd's passing ability), his handles are still rusty and I haven't consistently seen that blazing speed that he is known for.

It's far too early to make any kind on assessment on this kid's real future w/ the Nets.
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Post#53 » by superemxguy » Thu Mar 6, 2008 3:21 pm

so far marcus william i outplaying him
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Post#54 » by SteveNets15 » Fri Mar 7, 2008 4:24 pm

I like what Marcus has done he has realy stepped his game up hopefully he can be consistent with it
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Post#55 » by halfHAVOC » Fri Mar 7, 2008 4:42 pm

marcus is a better off a starter because hes more on the PURE PG side more so than Harris.

harris is better to provide instant offense/defense and have more freedom as the 6thman. he can get more minutes, but marcus needs to start cuz he can push the tempo on fast breaks and get people more open shots. hes a WAY better passer than harris.
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Post#56 » by EFF » Fri Mar 7, 2008 5:43 pm

If only frank woulda play better finishers with marcus. He has good chemistry with Boone, but I'm never confident when he gets the ball in the paint no matter how nice the pass was.

On the ther hand, Sean wants to jam it someone's eye every time he gets it there, and if not that, he's a better FT shooter so its a win win. Sean also rolls HARD to the basket waving his arms. We just need willing/able passers and they are Marcus and VC.

Now that i tihnk about it, I dont think we've even run a pick and roll to the basket in a long time.
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Post#57 » by S.I.C. GM » Fri Mar 7, 2008 7:49 pm

Once Thorn figures out how to trade VC this off season and Frank lose more games before Thorn has no choice to fire him, all this will change.

Like I have said before,

PG - MWill
SG - Harris

This will be a nice combo. On Offense, Mwill is a better passer. He can work the Pick and Roll much better then Harris. He can also Penetrate and dish. He is pure PG that can do some light scoring. Harris has a better shot and a can be a good 3 pt shooter. Harris cant be stopped driving to the rim. On Defense, Mwill needs to work on his D, but with Harris, Harris will always take the better player, PG or SG.

Now we need to draft a PG/SG type player that plays D and can shoot. If there is someone like that in the draft that will fall to us.
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Post#58 » by Rich Rane » Fri Mar 7, 2008 11:03 pm

I don't think we should consider putting both of them in together. Both of them start believing they're the 2 guard and start shooting.
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Post#59 » by Sharcm1 » Sun Mar 9, 2008 3:49 pm

Who should be the starting point for this team?

Remember I mean this team. who is the right player for this team.

when every one talks about harris they talk about his potential, what he did with the mavs and the first two games he played with the nets.

other than that he has shown us anything. his shot is not falling, his defense is not as good as everyone said it was, and he can pass for s*it

I know its still early and we need to give him time to recover from the ankle and learn the team. But come on. we are losing and losing some more. we play better with marcus in the game. the ball moves more. we get more fast break attempts, and marcus's shot is really falling.

maybe harris can be that spark off the bench we need. that we don't have. that he was in the first two games where he can in a scored 21 points.

any thoughts. and remember I'm not saying harris is horrible. I'm saying that give him time but give it to him off the bench where we need him.
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Post#60 » by Da big3 » Sun Mar 9, 2008 4:50 pm

Sharcm1 wrote:Who should be the starting point for this team?

Remember I mean this team. who is the right player for this team.

when every one talks about harris they talk about his potential, what he did with the mavs and the first two games he played with the nets.

other than that he has shown us anything. his shot is not falling, his defense is not as good as everyone said it was, and he can pass for s*it

I know its still early and we need to give him time to recover from the ankle and learn the team. But come on. we are losing and losing some more. we play better with marcus in the game. the ball moves more. we get more fast break attempts, and marcus's shot is really falling.

maybe harris can be that spark off the bench we need. that we don't have. that he was in the first two games where he can in a scored 21 points.

any thoughts. and remember I'm not saying harris is horrible. I'm saying that give him time but give it to him off the bench where we need him.


well heres my plan and this would take effect in the offseason, trade vc and rj, maybe kristic, get lots of talent make marcus the pg, and harris the sg, adress the sf in the draft and get a 7ft who can who has post moves

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