Jason Kidd welcome to the western conference

[dockingsched]

who the **** would actually double team Lamar Odom?! this isn't college dude..

kind of ironic actually..if anyone watched the game on Sunday, Odom actually tried to take Kidd in the post and couldn't even back him down..

even more ironic is that he got double teamed,

[Ming Kong!]

Deron was off from the perimeter (1 of 7 from downtown), but he made 6 of 10 from 2pt territory. He shot a few shots at the end of periods, and shot clocks, so it was no surprise to Williams have a relatively poor shooting night. He least he made a few passes to make up for it.

[That Nicka]

B-Scott, you never fail at making me laugh

[B-Scott]

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Other teams should be upset that he's not. If he were our GM Kobe would've been traded for a bunch of scrubs so this team could be run through Lamar all day everyday. He wouldn't have gotten Gasol either, of course, since that would've hurt Lamar's legacy.

Bottom line is the record and my point will be proven with the Dallas Mavericks record.

They are worse with Kidd then Harris and here is why

Harris has the ability to break down a defense in a halfcourt set and either score, get to the free throw line or dish.

Kidd at this stage can create off the fastbreak,but not in a halfcourt set.

As i said Fred Carter of NBA TV made the exact same point on AM 570 in LA

Lamar Odom - 13 points 12 boards on 60% shooting since Gasol

If thats Kidd in Lamar's place,thats 10 points 11 assist 6 rebounds on 37% shooting.

Basically he is no threat on offense at all and it will be proven when Dallas is the 8th seed. They are worse and Avery Johnson knows it

[B-Scott]

Incontrol

I hope you know i made a trade thread in the trade forum with a similair Gasol to Lakers back in the summer and everyone laughed at the deal.

So yes i would have gotten Gasol

[HarlemHeat37]

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even more ironic is that he got double teamed,

after he couldn't even back Kidd down..usual poor Mavericks defensive strategy..same game, doubled the vagina Gasol with time running out on the clock, and they left Kobe open, who obviously made the open 3..I actually don't even remember the double team, but I'm pretty certain Odom passed the ball off even before another player came at him..I remember a few people clowning him during the game thread about not being able to play vs. Kidd..regardless, obviously he's going to get double teamed vs. a PG..you obviously know what I mean

[incontrol__]

Incontrol

I hope you know i made a trade thread in the trade forum with a similair Gasol to Lakers back in the summer and everyone laughed at the deal.

So yes i would have gotten Gasol

I wasn't really that serious about that. I know you're not that much of a Lamar 'zealot', B-Scott.

Appreciate that you didn't take a whole lot of offense to that post though, btw. I was just a little annoyed with you from the other thread with your "Smush > Hughes last season" comment, and i apologise for it.

[shobe_81]

Woah, the Mavs are almost out of the playoffs. It would be hilarious if the Mavs missed the playoffs since Kidd wanted to play for a "contender."

And it would be even more hilarious if Golden State beat them by a game for the 8th seed

[B-Scott]

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I wasn't really that serious about that. I know you're not that much of a Lamar 'zealot', B-Scott.

Appreciate that you didn't take a whole lot of offense to that post though, btw. I was just a little annoyed with you from the other thread with your "Smush > Hughes last season" comment, and i apologise for it.

W'ere Laker fans thats all that matters. We might disagree about individual players,but the main thing is we are still rooting for the same team.

Kidd to me just looks old. Dallas looks more predictable now

Isolate Josh or Dirk and thats there offense. The PG cant break you down out the halfcourt set. They look like this years Nets with Kidd

[JES12]

In the first thread about the Kidd trade, I stated the Nets go further than the Mavs and said book it! Mainly because we don't have the personnel to make Kidd look good. An Iverson/Kidd swap would have boosted Denver to the top 4 and a Harris/Kidd swap would knock Dallas to 6-8 if we even made the playoffs. Not because Harris is better than Iverson, but the personnel on the team just is better with harris in Dallas and Kidd in Denver.

2 people put me on their ignore list when I mentioned about Mavs "possibly" not making the playoffs. Guess they did not want to face that possability. I still think they will, but they will not have home court advantage.

Harris 28-11
Terry/Barea 7-7
Kidd 4-4

Total 39-22

[duyduck]

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W'ere Laker fans thats all that matters. We might disagree about individual players,but the main thing is we are still rooting for the same team.

Kidd to me just looks old. Dallas looks more predictable now

Isolate Josh or Dirk and thats there offense. The PG cant break you down out the halfcourt set. They look like this years Nets with Kidd

Its the stupid Avery ISO Offense. If you watch Kidd, he has to look for all the play calls from Avery. Avery had this same problem with Harris, and didn't allow him to develop.

It is obvious to all Mav fans about how hard Dirk has to work to get his shot, which probably results in him being tired in the playoffs every year, but Avery is too stubborn to realize he has an All Star Caliber player that knows how to pass. So we continue with the stupid ISO plays where everyone goes one on one, until the second defender comes, then they pass up the ball. This usually takes 10 seconds off the shot clock just to create space, and they end up with bad shots.

[Spykes]

It'd be funny if both Shaq and Kidd missed the playoffs this season. Especially with Kidd demanding to goto a contender.

[jradMIT]

Most likely they both will be in the playoffs, there is no way both teams miss the playoffs.

[Duiz]

I wouldn't write off the Mavs by any means. They've had a tough stretch of games lately and have been basically implementing an all-star into their system at the same time. They barely lost against the Lakers, and they came back from 20 down against the Jazz in Utah on a back to back to take a lead in the 4th only to lose a close one. They'll probably go on a good win streak now and continue to be in the thick of things.

I agree with this post.

I disagree with people saying that the Mavs defense hasn't gotten any better. Although only double teaming Deron was the smartest idea that Avery had for the past two nights, you have to consider that the Jazz started very hot, and had a lead by 20 on the first quarter. The rest of the game they were playing excellent defense, and although Deron was still unstoppable, his offense lowered down.

Funny people talk about the 40% FG he had on the game, mainly what he was doing is trying to get Kidd to go on top of the pick and roll so he could start more paint penetration, in the way he forced some shots, but he got 20 AST.

Once again, they played good defense for the rest of the game, specially in the waning moments of the game.

Eastern Conference has Calderon, Billups, and Felton...

Western Conference has Baron Davis, Steve Nash, Deron Williams, Tony Parker, Allen Iverson, Chris Paul and even Derek Fisher to a point.

Welcome Jason to the Western Conference... Where 20 Assists in your face happens.

[Spykes]

Most likely they both will be in the playoffs, there is no way both teams miss the playoffs.

I know, it'd still be funny though.

[King Roosk]

Okay, I'm a Rockets fan so understand that I'm 100% biased against the Mavericks.

Now, who really thinks Dallas is worse from the trade? I think it's still a bit early to judge, but don't conveniently neglect certain facts. Dallas has lost to the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th ranked teams in the WC, and all of those losses came on the road. New Orleans and Utah handled them pretty well for a majority of the game, but they took the Spurs and the Lakers down to the wire. Granted, Kurt Thomas only played 4 minutes (I think he's going to be a huge part of their team once he gets fully integrated) and Brent Barry didn't play...but still.

If you look at their schedule, they only play 5 games that they should be scared of for the rest of March. They play Houston on thursday (although with Yao gone and the game at Dallas, I don't see much of a hope for Houston). They play LA, Boston, and SA at home, and at GS. Other then that, they play 5 EC teams with losing records, the Clippers twice, and the Nuggets. I think they'll string together a nice 5-6 game win streak.

Despite Kidd being known to step it up in the playoffs, I think their lack of (talented) bigs will be their downfall in the playoffs. But to write them off after losing 4 games to the top 4 teams in the WC is a bit premature I think.

[Duiz]

It is still tough to say.. they almost beat the Lakers at Home... beating Utah in Utah is almost unthinkable this season, and it was a rookie mistake by Avery to take Jason Kidd out of the game.

I think they are still figuring things out. I think that Cheeseburger Eddy/AKA Eddy Curry could be a solution to the problem since he play in the inside, but his Defense would make the Mavs a team that would average about 120 Points against. I think they just need a good big man, something that they might not get.

[HarlemHeat37]

for this year and next year, Diop is a much bigger loss than Harris IMO..when Dampier was off, they had absolutely nobody on the boards or to close out on Kobe at the rim..that's the part that made Dallas worse..Kidd is easily an upgrade over Harris, and I disagree with the people that have said he isn't..