Happy 22nd BIRTHDAY Jason Smith*** Now trade HIM!

[Fire BK]

That's right, folks. Our beloved backup limp PF, Jason Smith turned the ripe age of 22 years old yesterday. Ahhhh, to be 22.

Now, trade him!

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[Skates]

I would not be surprised at all to see Jason Smith get traded this summer. He is going to be a nice player, most likely as a big man rotation guy as Stefanski has said. The reasons I think he is the most likely Sixer to be traded are:

1. I have a feeling our starting PF will come in a trade or, more likely, a sign and trade. A team giving up a good big man will want a young big man with potential back, and Smith fills the bill pefectly. He will be a desirable asset in such a trade.

2. Reggie Evans will be hard to trade and the team plays well with him coming off the bench. He's well suited for the role he plays now and has been very effective. He's still in his prime and will be for most of his contract. Thad will likely get some minutes at PF too, even if he is the starter at SF in the future. If we get a starting PF, Evans and Smith make one too many back-ups.

3. I don't think Smith has much upside at center. He will likely put on some more muscle, but his build is naturally slim. With Sammy being on the skinny side I think he needs a beefier back-up. Sam often has trouble with bulky post players and Smith does not help with that.

I like Smith and having a young big who can shoot from the outside is a nice thing. If Stefanski goes in a wildly different direction, by trading Sammy for instance. Smith may well stay. He would be a good and cheap complement to a more physical front-line than we haev now. My primary reason for thinking he may be gone is #1 above.

[corwin]

IMO your analysis is pretty much on target. Smith will have some value in a deal even though he has not shown himself to be anything other than a back-up at the 4/5. We'll see if he can play the 5. He is thick through his lower body & should be able to put on some muscle. Still, I'd be surprised if he is moved in any deal that brings in the likes of Collison, Wilcox, CV, Frye, Kristic, Craig Smith, Gooden, etc. I just don't see many players out there that are a real upgrade at PF that make sense for this team. The RFAs like Josh Smith & Okafor will be matched & Brand is too much of a risk. I'd also definitely stay away for JON & Jamison due to age/injury.

[The Guilty Party]

1. I have a feeling our starting PF will come in a trade or, more likely, a sign and trade. A team giving up a good big man will want a young big man with potential back, and Smith fills the bill pefectly. He will be a desirable asset in such a trade.

Exactly! I've been of the belief for a while now that our cap space is going to be a trade asset and not used to sign the leftovers on the FA market. I think Jason Smith (and possibly a pick) to be packaged for whatever we get in return. Stefanski has some nice chips to play with this summer and based on what we've seen in the recent past (Memphis dealing Gasol for space... Seattle turned a trade exception into 3 first round picks) I have to think that if thei is a big name PF made available this summer... we can get him.

$10MIL in cap space/2009 1st Rd Pick/2009 Utah's 1st Rd Pick/Jason Smith/Rodney Carney

[Skates]

IMO your analysis is pretty much on target. Smith will have some value in a deal even though he has not shown himself to be anything other than a back-up at the 4/5. We'll see if he can play the 5. He is thick through his lower body & should be able to put on some muscle. Still, I'd be surprised if he is moved in any deal that brings in the likes of Collison, Wilcox, CV, Frye, Kristic, Craig Smith, Gooden, etc. I just don't see many players out there that are a real upgrade at PF that make sense for this team. The RFAs like Josh Smith & Okafor will be matched & Brand is too much of a risk. I'd also definitely stay away for JON & Jamison due to age/injury.

I would target Biedrins. Golden State will want to keep him, but he has been under-utilized and playing out of position at center. Golden State has a mess of a summer coming up with tons of free agents. If Brandan Wright keeps developing Biedrins might be more available. If we are willing to overpay a little money wise for Biedrins the Warriors might be willing to do a sign and trade for Smith, Carney and/or Utah's first rounder. I'm not saying we give GS full value plus overpay Biedrins by a ton, but I see opportunity there if Stefanski is as good at his job as we have been told.

Tyrus Thomas can probably be had this summer and I would not be surprised to see Stefanski look to deal with NJ for the Williams boys, Marcus and/or Sean, in some manner.

[Fire BK]

$10MIL in cap space/2009 1st Rd Pick/2009 Utah's 1st Rd Pick/Jason Smith/Rodney Carney

booya!

[blazehound]

Has Smith been injured? He's gotten virtually no playing time in the past couple months.

[dbodner]

Does Jason Smith really have any value, trade wise? I wouldn't think so.

[Skates]

Has Smith been injured? He's gotten virtually no playing time in the past couple months.

He has been dealing with a nagging high ankle sprain for at least a month now. Even when he plays you can see his mobility and lift are missing. I don't know that he can't play right now in a pinch, but I think they will be resting him as long as possible.

Smith should have trade value based on potential. He is a seven footer that can block shots, run, hustle and shoot. A mobile, coordimated seven footer has value in this league. One of the reasons I think they are keeping him off the ankle is because it hurt his play and therefore his trade value. People around the league seemed to really like him earlier in the year. It's obvious he needs to heal and add some major muscle.

Would a team trade a strting Pf straight up for him, probably not, but in a sign and trade the trading team rarely gets full value and is usually looking for size and youth. They are getting something rather than losing a player for nothing in FA or RFA. Smith would be a nice piece of a package, especially if he can come back in a week or two and start contributing the way he did earlier in the year.

[underpressure]

Our main target has to be any big man who can create his own shot and who can make some damage under the baskets. If it's going to cost us our picks and some talents (ie. LW, Carney or Smith), then I am fine with it. As long as we do not look for some wish-wash players like Biedrins or Gooden I am really feeling comfortable with our situation. Either we really obtain that player or we are just taking the cap space into the season. I do not mind neither.

[The Guilty Party]

Does Jason Smith really have any value, trade wise? I wouldn't think so.

I don't think he has much value but as far as "throw-ins" go... he's a nice throw-in. Is he going to be the difference maker in a big deal? We both know that answer is no. That said, if we're going to use our cap space in a trade then the team on the other end of this deal is obviously making the trade for purely financial reasons. A trade of that sort is a bitter pill for any fanbase to swallow but I think the pill goes down a little bit easier if a young player is at least involved. Which of these trades will be easier for a fanbase to handle??

$10 MIL in cap room, Two 2009 first round picks (Utah's #23 and the Sixers #20; obviously guesstimates), Jason Smith and Rodney Carney
than...
$10 MIL in space and 2 picks

Even though Carney and Smith aren't difference makers, I think the first trade gives the penny-pinching team's fanbase young players they can talk about and possibly look forward to watching.

[Skates]

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$10 MIL in cap room, Two 2009 first round picks (Utah's #23 and the Sixers #20; obviously guesstimates), Jason Smith and Rodney Carney
than...
$10 MIL in space and 2 picks

Even though Carney and Smith aren't difference makers, I think the first trade gives the penny-pinching team's fanbase young players they can talk about and possibly look forward to watching.

You hit it right on the head. Guys like Smith and Carney may never be great players, but for a team trading away a good player in the NBA the GM of the trading team often wants something to soften the psychological impact on the fan base that is losing a good player. Smith and Carney are young and athletic enough and have enough visible potential to do just that.

[gr3en]

Our main target has to be any big man who can create his own shot and who can make some damage under the baskets. If it's going to cost us our picks and some talents (ie. LW, Carney or Smith), then I am fine with it. As long as we do not look for some wish-wash players like Biedrins or Gooden I am really feeling comfortable with our situation. Either we really obtain that player or we are just taking the cap space into the season. I do not mind neither.

does Biedrins really qualify as wish-wash?

Randolph or Curry are available.

[underpressure]

As far as I know Biedrins is more of a Dalembert-type of player. So he does not really meet our needs at the 4 or 5 spot.

I would have liked Randolph but since he has an attitude problem he is a big no-no.

[gr3en]

As far as I know Biedrins is more of a Dalembert-type of player. So he does not really meet our needs at the 4 or 5 spot.

I would have liked Randolph but since he has an attitude problem he is a big no-no.

what if he came along with David Lee and the expiring contracts of Malik Rose and Mardy Collins(TO).

We'd ask for Andre Miller, Willie Green and Reggie Evans.

Your lineup next year would be:

Dalembert - Smith
Randolph - Lee
Young - Carney
Iggy - Collins
Williams - Pick(Collison/Augustine)orFA(Calderon/Duhon)

[Skates]

Biedrins is only 22, has more offensive skills than he has gotten to use in GS where they avoid the big man, and would be playing his natural position at PF which should allow him to score more easily. He shoots a ridiculously high percentage, usually a sign that a guy is not taking enough shots, he's a great rebounder and decent shotblocker. He is not going to be a superstar scorer, but he can probably throw-in about 17 ppg if you run plays for him. Plus I expect to get a lot more scoring, especially in the post, from Young as he moves to the SF position. He has great instincts around the basket.

The Knicks are very unlikely to trade David Lee, they love him to the point that he might be considered over-rated by the Knicks. Even Isiah refuses to include him in a trade. The point of them trading Randolph would be to make Lee a starter.

[gr3en]

Biedrins is only 22, has more offensive skills than he has gotten to use in GS where they avoid the big man, and would be playing his natural position at PF which should allow him to score more easily. He shoots a ridiculously high percentage, usually a sign that a guy is not taking enough shots, he's a great rebounder and decent shotblocker. He is not going to be a superstar scorer, but he can probably throw-in about 17 ppg if you run plays for him. Plus I expect to get a lot more scoring, especially in the post, from Young as he moves to the SF position. He has great instincts around the basket.

The Knicks are very unlikely to trade David Lee, they love him to the point that he might be considered over-rated by the Knicks. Even Isiah refuses to include him in a trade. The point of them trading Randolph would be to make Lee a starter.

This would be in the scenario that the Knicks get the #1 pick and draft Beasley who would become their new PF. I think we'd be willing to give up David Lee if it meant moving Zach Randolph and getting a PG like Miller. Would you do it? It would open up more time for Louis Williams as well.

[corwin]

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This would be in the scenario that the Knicks get the #1 pick and draft Beasley who would become their new PF. I think we'd be willing to give up David Lee if it meant moving Zach Randolph and getting a PG like Miller. Would you do it? It would open up more time for Louis Williams as well.

Unlikely. I doubt the Sixers want Randolph on the team under any circumstances. David Lee is not anywhere near enough of an incentive for that. Personally, I could see Lee, Rose & the 09 #1 pick for Miller. I'll probably get hammered by other Philly fans though.

[Johnny Broad-Street]

I'd do that deal in a New York minute

[Skates]

Beasley is a super player who also supposedly has major potential character issues. For the kid's sake, and because I hate the Knicks, I hope he goes anywhere but Isiah's zoo or Clipperland.