Debate: Mayo or Gordon?

$*DIPSET BOI*$ · Post #21 » by **$*DIPSET BOI*$** » Fri Feb 8, 2008 8:40 pm

nitetrain8603 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

He is not stronger than Ben though.

I don't know about that, EJ is about 215-220 and built

DanTown8587 · Post #22 » by **DanTown8587** » Sat Feb 9, 2008 10:33 am

You cannot compare what Mayo and Gordon do for their schools, because Mayo gets the star treatment everywhere he goes and is the #1 option on USC. Gordon plays with White, plays in a MUCH worse league, and has a much better offensive system for what he does well. Mayo plays on a slow down team, has to play much more defense and does not get to take nights off (except Oregon State) in league games. Plus, Mayo steps up his game against better teams, and Gordon seems to fade. Gordon scored 14 against UConn, 16 against Wisconsin and shot 4-12 against Xavier. I truly believe people are looking for reasons to doubt Mayo, and just because he is not the LeBron level prospect he was rated coming out of eight grade does not mean he cannot be a solid pro. And Billy Packer openly ripping Mayo in a game where they beat UCLA, @ UCLA, by going for 16 points and 4 assists, and also playing good defense on Westbrook.

daddyclip · Post #23 » by **daddyclip** » Sat Feb 9, 2008 4:36 pm

DanTown8587 wrote:You cannot compare what Mayo and Gordon do for their schools, because Mayo gets the star treatment everywhere he goes and is the #1 option on USC. Gordon plays with White, plays in a MUCH worse league, and has a much better offensive system for what he does well. Mayo plays on a slow down team, has to play much more defense and does not get to take nights off (except Oregon State) in league games. Plus, Mayo steps up his game against better teams, and Gordon seems to fade. Gordon scored 14 against UConn, 16 against Wisconsin and shot 4-12 against Xavier. I truly believe people are looking for reasons to doubt Mayo, and just because he is not the LeBron level prospect he was rated coming out of eight grade does not mean he cannot be a solid pro. And Billy Packer openly ripping Mayo in a game where they beat UCLA, @ UCLA, by going for 16 points and 4 assists, and also playing good defense on Westbrook.

i think you hit it right on the head,most people just hate on oj cause coming up he was put in the same class as lebron. which he is not but i still think by far he is a better pro prospect then gordon. its not even close in my mind oj is 2 or 3 inches taller better quickness better D 10x times better ballhanding better floor game.

bravesatl · Post #24 » by **bravesatl** » Sat Feb 9, 2008 7:02 pm

gordon >>>>>>>> mayo

priest · Post #25 » by **priest** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:30 pm

DanTown8587 wrote:You cannot compare what Mayo and Gordon do for their schools, because Mayo gets the star treatment everywhere he goes and is the #1 option on USC. Gordon plays with White, plays in a MUCH worse league, and has a much better offensive system for what he does well. Mayo plays on a slow down team, has to play much more defense and does not get to take nights off (except Oregon State) in league games. Plus, Mayo steps up his game against better teams, and Gordon seems to fade. Gordon scored 14 against UConn, 16 against Wisconsin and shot 4-12 against Xavier. I truly believe people are looking for reasons to doubt Mayo, and just because he is not the LeBron level prospect he was rated coming out of eight grade does not mean he cannot be a solid pro. And Billy Packer openly ripping Mayo in a game where they beat UCLA, @ UCLA, by going for 16 points and 4 assists, and also playing good defense on Westbrook.

I agree I hate the way USC is ran by floyd but people have been missing that mayo has been playing good defense. Everything USC does is slow making every player on their team look slow. There isn't any spacing and they either shoot jumpers or dump it inside and watch. Mayo is in the right city but wrong school

Post #26 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Mar 3, 2008 9:15 pm

I think this is going to end up being the debate of the draft. I like both players and spent Saturday watching Mayo and Sunday watching Gordon. I still don't know who I like more.

Floyd's system seems to be pretty terrible for Mayo. If he had the freedom to do more I think he'd be in the discussion of national POY. I like defense and he seems to pick up a good amount of steals playing the passing lanes and picking on guys coming over from the weakside. His explosion on the break is pretty nice. He'll get a lot of buckets in transition. I honestly see a better shooting version of Wade out there. I like him that much.

Gordon's been one of my favorites all season. I've seen him play around six or seven times now. He's just such a silky smooth player. I'd like to say he's better off the dribble than Mayo, but I can't really tell because of the difference in systems. I don't think he's got that killer instinct yet and the ability to shoulder a scoring load when crunch time comes. He came close, once, in a game against Wisconsin in which Indiana was down big in the second half. It was as if Gordon said, "OK, just give me the ball and get the hell out of the way". He nearly won the game on his own.

Gun to my head I take Mayo, though it's close.

cdash · Post #27 » by **cdash** » Mon Mar 3, 2008 9:23 pm

Gordon, easy. He doesnt have the ego that Mayo has, he doesnt have the character issues that Mayo has (Bumping a ref? In high school?), he actually plays defense, he gets to the line more often...yeah, I'll take Gordon.

chad42 · Post #28 » by **chad42** » Mon Mar 3, 2008 10:12 pm

Mayo actually plays defense and that ref thing was bs

cdash · Post #29 » by **cdash** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 12:00 am

Mayo plays defense? Seriously? Have you watched him play? That guy is the most lackidaisical defensive player I have ever seen.

ponder276 · Post #30 » by **ponder276** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 12:41 am

I'll take Mayo. Gordon is an undersized SG with few PG skills and not particularly impressive handles - I really don't see him being that great in the pros, very likely a 6th man.

NBAMAN2006 · Post #31 » by **NBAMAN2006** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 1:14 am

The guy who said Mayo doesnt play D obviously doesnt know what he is talking about.

I love both, and think they will both be great NBA players. But, I would take Mayo as of right now. Hell, I would take Mayo over Bayless.

I picture Mayo's celing around 19-21ppg, 6-7apg, 4-5rpg.
I picture Gordon's celing around 20-24ppg, 3-5apg, 2-4rpg

JBoogs37 · Post #32 » by **JBoogs37** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 1:37 am

Mayo has been playing like a man possessed since his horrible UCLA showing. He's done what all greats do after poor performances...rebounded with his best basketball of the year. Gordon started off fast and has slowed since, but is still playing pretty well.

I think it's interesting that everyone talked about how much more efficient of a scorer Gordon was than Mayo, but look now and their shooting percentages are similar, and Mayo actually has a higher 3pt shooting % I believe. I'd take OJ. I think he needs to be a scoring point though and not a 2. Outside of the UCLA game, when he's had the ball in his hands the team has performed better, and he has also performed better. I think Mayo's ball handling, court vision/passing ability, and killer instinct separate him from Gordon as of right now. Just my two pennies.

CB4MiamiHeat · Post #33 » by **CB4MiamiHeat** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 5:00 am

i dont like Mayos lack of free thow attempts and quickness...he struggles to create separation in college, its hard to think hell do that in the NBA.

He relies on that jumpshot.

cdash · Post #34 » by **cdash** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 5:43 am

NBAMAN2006 wrote:The guy who said Mayo doesnt play D obviously doesnt know what he is talking about.

I love both, and think they will both be great NBA players. But, I would take Mayo as of right now. Hell, I would take Mayo over Bayless.

I picture Mayo's celing around 19-21ppg, 6-7apg, 4-5rpg.
I picture Gordon's celing around 20-24ppg, 3-5apg, 2-4rpg

Okay, since I dont know what I am talking about, I'll post a quote from Chad Ford's column today:
"Mayo has proved he has the ability to score at USC. But the point guard thing hasn't materialized. He's looked fairly one-dimensional this season -- his assist and rebound totals are underwhelming. Some of that isn't Mayo's fault as he's asked to play off the ball and carry the team on offense. But scouts looking for something more than a shoot-first 2-guard have been disappointed. Some are calling Mayo the next Jerry Stackhouse -- a guy who never met a shot he didn't like or a defensive set he did like."

Notice the last sentence there--never met a defensive set he did like. Yeah, I am an idiot. My bad.

Dantares · Post #35 » by **Dantares** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 9:16 am

wow I hope these scouts aren't from the Knicks becuz i really want this kid on my team. Chad Ford obviously doesnt watch Mayo play because if he did he would know Mayo does play defense and he has been the ultimate team player for USC this season. Really this kid just doesnt force things. I read an article that Mayo loves playing chess and he uses that same attitude when he plays basketball always thinking three or four moves ahead. You can see it when he plays that he is always smooth and under control. And they are totally off on his passing ability which is also impressive.

Post #36 » by **Turisas** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 9:37 am

I've seen Mayo play a couple of times and I thought his D was decent. He tries hard on that end of the floor and plays good positional D. I've definitely seen much worse especially for a guy that is only a freshman.

sims · Post #37 » by **sims** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 2:15 pm

cdash wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Okay, since I dont know what I am talking about, I'll post a quote from Chad Ford's column today:
"Mayo has proved he has the ability to score at USC. But the point guard thing hasn't materialized. He's looked fairly one-dimensional this season -- his assist and rebound totals are underwhelming. Some of that isn't Mayo's fault as he's asked to play off the ball and carry the team on offense. But scouts looking for something more than a shoot-first 2-guard have been disappointed. Some are calling Mayo the next Jerry Stackhouse -- a guy who never met a shot he didn't like or a defensive set he did like."

Notice the last sentence there--never met a defensive set he did like. Yeah, I am an idiot. My bad.

quoting chad ford isn't going to win you any credibility.

to chime in on the debate, i take mayo, not so much for what he is but for what gordon is not. much as i love him, gordon is simply a pure SG and he's just not big enough to take at that position in the top 5. he's going to be just like the other gordon on the bulls who's not even a starter at this point. i see mayo panning out to be more in the arenas/wade mold.

JBoogs37 · Post #38 » by **JBoogs37** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 3:00 pm

Chad Ford is an idiot...let me say that first. Secondly, scouts are looking for OJ to play point? Talk to coach Tim Floyd, don't be disappointed by OJ. In an article, a guy asked OJ whether he'd need to become A PURE POINT at the next level...his response: I'll do what whatever the coach needs me to do to win. If he needs me to run the offense and set up my teammates, I'll do that. If he needs me to create for myself, I'll do that. So basically, Tim Floyd ask him to score, so he scores...if Tim Floyd ask him to run the team, OJ could do that too. It's not his fault coaches ask him to score.

cdash · Post #39 » by **cdash** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 11:09 pm

Actually, that was what the scouts told Ford. Later in the column Ford actually defended Mayo and said scouts are being too hard on him. What I posted was what scouts were saying to him, not his opinion. So judging by what you guys are saying, I should take whatever Ford said (defending Mayo) and throw it out.

I dont think its just that easy for Mayo either. He cant just go out and do whatever the coaches tell him to do and do it well. Floyd may ask him to score, but that still doesnt explain why he has such a bad assist/turnover ratio. I really dont think Mayo could play the point in the pros, at least not full time. I am not saying he wont be good, he has way too much natural talent not to be pretty decent, but his game does have some holes in it.

JBoogs37 · Post #40 » by **JBoogs37** » Tue Mar 4, 2008 11:46 pm

cdash wrote:Actually, that was what the scouts told Ford. Later in the column Ford actually defended Mayo and said scouts are being too hard on him. What I posted was what scouts were saying to him, not his opinion. So judging by what you guys are saying, I should take whatever Ford said (defending Mayo) and throw it out.

I dont think its just that easy for Mayo either. He cant just go out and do whatever the coaches tell him to do and do it well. Floyd may ask him to score, but that still doesnt explain why he has such a bad assist/turnover ratio. I really dont think Mayo could play the point in the pros, at least not full time. I am not saying he wont be good, he has way too much natural talent not to be pretty decent, but his game does have some holes in it.

Thanks for clearing that up. I guess we have to agree to disagree here, because I do think it's that simple for Mayo. Not to say there wouldn't be an adjustment period, but I still think he can do whatever a coach ask, it's just that he's only been asked to score. And it's much more normal to have a poor assist/TO ratio when you're playing the 2 and not the primary ballhandler. But that still doesn't change my overall opinion of Chad Ford lol, but thanks for clearing that up.

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