Brandan Wright?

[cdubbz]

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Everybody would want a frontcourt player that could help sooner rather than later, but who is going to give that type of player (who isn't washed up) for a good but not great middle aged SG with a big contract?

Shop JRich around the league and it's unlikely Denver would have even offered you Nene, for instance. They would have probably offered you Kenyon Martin. It's not like anybody is going to be in a hurry to offer you a good bigman for a good SG.

Nobody is going to give you an effective long term frontcourt solution who is ready to contribute now for a good but hardly great SG like JRich. The best you're going to do in that situation is to trade for a young big guy who has the potential to be a long term solution, but isn't quite ready to play full time.

Quite frankly, if not for Charlotte, there wouldn't have been a single team picking in the top 10 of that draft that would have traded their pick for JRich. The Warriors are lucky just one team was willing to take on JRich for their pick, and all the while they didn't have to take back any bad contracts.

If shaq, wally scerbiak, drew gooden, jason kidd, gasol, kwame, etc were traded....jrich could be traded.

[FNQ]

Gasol was traded for 2 late 1sts, a long term project PG, and ECs.
Kidd was traded for a good young prospect, a few 2 year deals, and 2 1sts
JRich was traded for a lottery pick PF (projected top 5) and about a 10 mil trade exception.

Even in the Gasol deal, looking at it completely separate from other Laker moves... which deal was the best, right now?

If Wright becomes a starter, the trade is $$$ for the W's... if he becomes an all-star, its a heist... but dc nailed it... no other team really wanted JRich. I think we traded Higgins as part of the deal too

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The main reason i diss Wright is because he was soo hyped up when we drafted him as this and that. I never saw what was sooo special about him after one year of college. After seeing the way he has played in limited time, sure he has good promising qualities that he can develop and I finally do see the potential he has, but people go NUTS when he makes a jump shot or alters a shot and praise him too much.

I see Wright as a good decent player as he develops but this is a few years away.

You miss the point of why people go nuts... Wright alters shots without fouling people, consistently. Did Beans do that in his 1st 2 seasons? When Wright hits those hooks and those jumpers, do you see where he's releasing the ball? It's nearly unblockable, due to his outstanding length and jumping. If you focus only on the result, you'll start falling for cats like Handsbrough and Brockman, people who will have a Shelden Williams-like impact on the NBA.

The reason people get excited about Wright is the how. Look how high he gets for his hooks and how far back behind him he releases... look how quick he can switch from his man to protect the rim (and due to length, protect the shovel pass to his now open man). Then you can understand why a lot of the basketball fans in the W's forum salivate when they see the kid play.

[rutheredfox]

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You miss the point of why people go nuts... Wright alters shots without fouling people, consistently. Did Beans do that in his 1st 2 seasons? When Wright hits those hooks and those jumpers, do you see where he's releasing the ball? It's nearly unblockable, due to his outstanding length and jumping. If you focus only on the result, you'll start falling for cats like Handsbrough and Brockman, people who will have a Shelden Williams-like impact on the NBA.

The reason people get excited about Wright is the how. Look how high he gets for his hooks and how far back behind him he releases... look how quick he can switch from his man to protect the rim (and due to length, protect the shovel pass to his now open man). Then you can understand why a lot of the basketball fans in the W's forum salivate when they see the kid play.

it's true, wright is just a both more physically and skillfully talented player. beans' game developed from his hard work ethic, i member him just getting fouls constantly when he first came into the league. he was good but he just couldn't stay on the floor. wright's a different story though, he had proper coaching at unc and the way he's built is just ridiculous. if this is what wright can do in the rookie season, imagine what he can do in 5 years, which is the length it takes to develop a big.

[CupcakeNoFillin]

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Actually, I think these Warriors fans just realize that Nellie is a hall of fame coach and knows more about who will fit into HIS system than a bunch of bums on a message board.

It's so funny when people talk as if Nellie is clueless even though they are the ones that are clueless. Tell me, which one of you forum posters knew who Matt Barnes was? Or Kelena Azubuike? You know, two key bench players averaging over 20 minutes a game and one of whom was a key playoff contributor last year?

The Wright stuff is especially classic. How many Warriors fans wanted Wright on draft day, or thought we'd get him? Oh yeah, about zero. And wait, wasn't it the Nellie Warriors who instructed the Bobcats to draft him so that they could trade J-Rich for him? I find it ironic how everyone says Nellie doesn't recognize Wright's talent when he's the one who drafted him.

First of all, Nellie might be a HOF coach but he's never even been in the Finals in his entire coaching career. He may have all those wins but he still has 0 championships and one of the most losses in NBA coaching history.

And about Barnes and Azubuike, it's just what 510 said: He (Don Nelson) is great at ballmovement and mismatches.. and because of that, he helps players who are good with the ball in their hands. Anyone else? Zero...

Barnes and Azubuike thrive in Nellie's system because they have the green light to take any shot they want and they can handle the ball almost as much as they want. That's different with big men like Wright and O'Bryant. And Nellie even said that Chris Webber is the best big man that he has on the team right now. Would you agree that Chris Webber is really the best big man that the Warriors have? That says a lot when it comes to what Nellie knows about big men.

And the Brandan Wright trade wasn't because Nellie focused all emphasis on his potential and talent. Trading Jason Richardson was a MUST. The Warriors organization knew that it was required to trade Jason Richardson so they can have the cap flexibility to resign both Monta Ellis and Andris Biedrins in the 08 offseason. It was just a matter of who they would trade J-Rich for. If Jason never had a big contract for the Warriors to worry about, I bet you he never would have gotten traded for Brandan Wright. It was basically a money move, with Brandan Wright's huge potential as a big bonus.

I'm not saying that I know more about basketball than Nellie. I would NEVER be able to do the things he does as a coach. I'm just saying that he needs to realize that his young big men like O'Bryant should have a chance to play. I hate how Nellie isn't playing POB just because Patrick looks "unmotivated". Look what happened to rookie Chris Webber when Nellie traded him just because he was "unmotivated" to play the center position. **** that emotional ****. Just play the players.

[dc]

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If shaq, wally scerbiak, drew gooden, jason kidd, gasol, kwame, etc were traded....jrich could be traded.

Of course JRich could be traded. I never said he couldn't be. I'm saying, who is the permanent, long term frontcourt solution that he could have brought back in a trade?

[cdubbz]

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You miss the point of why people go nuts... Wright alters shots without fouling people, consistently. Did Beans do that in his 1st 2 seasons? When Wright hits those hooks and those jumpers, do you see where he's releasing the ball? It's nearly unblockable, due to his outstanding length and jumping. If you focus only on the result, you'll start falling for cats like Handsbrough and Brockman, people who will have a Shelden Williams-like impact on the NBA.

The reason people get excited about Wright is the how. Look how high he gets for his hooks and how far back behind him he releases... look how quick he can switch from his man to protect the rim (and due to length, protect the shovel pass to his now open man). Then you can understand why a lot of the basketball fans in the W's forum salivate when they see the kid play.

I totally agree with you 510. I havent missed what Bwrights been doin in the games...im a very good fan and I def notice those things in players. I notice how high wright can elevate and how smoothly he runs the court. I've seen him alter shots without fouling which I love. His jumpers are unblockable, youre right. So I guess i do understand 100% why people go nuts over his game, but I dont see why they overrate and over praise him.

Thats all great. But im the type of person thats not gona go head over heels over a few games in the year in limited playing time. I'm not gonna fool myself and say Bwright is THE BEST and all that. I want to see him play in 20+ minutes a game and wait to see him and how he plays. Playing every 15 games or so in 10 minutes isnt exaclty a good way to measure how good a player is. Sure he has played pretty well in those te minutes, but in order to fully judge him i want to see him every game for 20 minutes or so.

"Don't Believe the hype" I need to see it for myself for more than 10 minutes every 15th game. Then i'll start drinkin the wright juice

[GswStorm3]

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I totally agree with you 510. I havent missed what Bwrights been doin in the games...im a very good fan and I def notice those things in players. I notice how high wright can elevate and how smoothly he runs the court. I've seen him alter shots without fouling which I love. His jumpers are unblockable, youre right. So I guess i do understand 100% why people go nuts over his game, but I dont see why they overrate and over praise him.

Thats all great. But im the type of person thats not gona go head over heels over a few games in the year in limited playing time. I'm not gonna fool myself and say Bwright is THE BEST and all that. I want to see him play in 20+ minutes a game and wait to see him and how he plays. Playing every 15 games or so in 10 minutes isnt exaclty a good way to measure how good a player is. Sure he has played pretty well in those te minutes, but in order to fully judge him i want to see him every game for 20 minutes or so.

"Don't Believe the hype" I need to see it for myself for more than 10 minutes every 15th game. Then i'll start drinkin the wright juice

All the praise Wright is receiving right now also happened with Andris and that didn't turn out to bad. If you want to take the patient approach before praising Wright then that's ok. But raining on other Warriors fans parade for falling in love with Wright's upside immediately is totally unfair.

[sportsfan38]

And with Biedrins and Wright in the front court, maybe the Warriors won't get out rebounded - for once.

[cdubbz]

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All the praise Wright is receiving right now also happened with Andris and that didn't turn out to bad. If you want to take the patient approach before praising Wright then that's ok. But raining on other Warriors fans parade for falling in love with Wright's upside immediately is totally unfair.

I don't think thats true with Andris...it took people a while to figure out who he is and what he can do. People on the warriors board immediatley fell in love with wright the moment we drafted him.

Fair shmair, we just have different opinions on this kid...agree to disagree.

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I totally agree with you 510. I havent missed what Bwrights been doin in the games...im a very good fan and I def notice those things in players. I notice how high wright can elevate and how smoothly he runs the court. I've seen him alter shots without fouling which I love. His jumpers are unblockable, youre right. So I guess i do understand 100% why people go nuts over his game, but I dont see why they overrate and over praise him.

Thats all great. But im the type of person thats not gona go head over heels over a few games in the year in limited playing time. I'm not gonna fool myself and say Bwright is THE BEST and all that. I want to see him play in 20+ minutes a game and wait to see him and how he plays. Playing every 15 games or so in 10 minutes isnt exaclty a good way to measure how good a player is. Sure he has played pretty well in those te minutes, but in order to fully judge him i want to see him every game for 20 minutes or so.

"Don't Believe the hype" I need to see it for myself for more than 10 minutes every 15th game. Then i'll start drinkin the wright juice

Is it overrating to say a player like Wright could do this all along?

Remember - you are the one forever tying Wright to Bosh... when asked for how he plays like, and the answer is a young Bosh, you don't go referencing that 100,000 times... I think you psyched yourself out

All I've said, from day 1, is what Wright did @ UNC, was a need for us here. I said he would fit right in and there would be very little transition time, as all he would need to do is find open lanes and play good help defense. In addition, he's also a good positional rebounder and great at tipping to teammates due to length. So far he's made me look like a psychic over here.

He did all this stuff in UNC though was my point from way back when... let me ask you this though. Look at Bosh's rookie season and scenario. Is it crazy to think Wright couldn't have put up those #s with that many shots?

[FaTaL]

And with Biedrins and Wright in the front court, maybe the Warriors won't get out rebounded - for once.

i doubt nelson plays both at the same time.

[Ben_Dover]

6'9", 198 pound power forward with little skill and decent athleticism. Not nearly as long as he looks due to how ridiculously skinny he is. I have him pegged as the biggest bust of the 2007 draft, just ahead of Corey Brewer.

obviously you haven't actually seen the kid play, yet you talk like you know what's up. and don't act like you've seen him play, because your comment makes it obvious you haven't.

anyways thanks for the new sig.

[Ben_Dover]

Don Nelson is a poor developer of young talent.

as a warrior fan i'm thankful for the winning season, but absolutely HATE nellie for not playing our draft picks and for being against playing tall players. i mean i am sickened by this and it's what makes me hope he's gone after this year. i just can't take another year of wasting our youth and eventually losing them to another team where they will shine.

WAKE the f#ck up Nellie!!! it's not just about today it's about the future too, but i guess since he doesn't expect to be around for all that long, he could give a sh#t about the Warriors future.

[gswhoops]

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obviously you haven't actually seen the kid play, yet you talk like you know what's up. and don't act like you've seen him play, because your comment makes it obvious you haven't.

anyways thanks for the new sig.

Dude, you missed the best part of the quote in your sig. You know, the part where Brandan has "little skill and decent athleticism."