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Post#81 » by hands11 » Wed Mar 5, 2008 3:36 am

Shanghai Kid wrote:I have no problem with Gil coming back as soon as possible. What really is the difference between him going hard in practice and him playing limited minutes in games?

The big thing, of course, is to limit his minutes. It's going to take a while probably for him to get everything going for him again. But if he's only playing limited minutes and he still gets hurt, than theirs something bigger wrong here and than you shut him down for the season.


This is the 3rd or 4th time I have read this statement. Don't people go back a few pages and read before they post?
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Post#82 » by hands11 » Wed Mar 5, 2008 3:43 am

ZonkertheBrainless wrote:Hopefully that means caron is farther along than we think rather than both of them being out for the duration...


What do you mean "we" kemosobi
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Post#83 » by johnbragg » Wed Mar 5, 2008 11:59 am

I came on early in the AM to see what the chatter was about today's update. I guess I have to post it myself.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/04/AR2008030403074.html

Arenas Gets a Passing Grade

Gilbert Arenas was back practicing with the Washington Wizards yesterday afternoon and that meant one thing: a lot more noise.
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It was the first full practice for the three-time all-star guard since he underwent left knee surgery on Nov. 21. .....

Following yesterday's practice, Arenas was in good spirits and said the knee felt fine. Prior to yesterday, Arenas had been limited to shooting workouts, one-on-one games with teammates such as rookie guard Nick Young and non-contact drills.

"I was surprised about my wind," said Arenas, who last played during a win at Minnesota on Nov. 16. "I wasn't as tired as I thought I would be. It was just exciting to get out there."
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"Little by little, the more you play, the more you are out on the floor, the more you interact and the more you go out there and do things you are used to doing -- like I made a move on Nick today and it was like, 'Okay,' " Arenas said. "Today's one practice, and now I want to get enough practices under my belt before I step back on the floor."
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"Truthfully, I don't think I'm going to make it back before Caron," Arenas said. "It's not, 'Hey, my knee feels good so I'm going to go out and play tomorrow.' It's not going to be one of those deals."



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Post#84 » by doclinkin » Wed Mar 5, 2008 2:46 pm

Here's the quote I liked best from the Gil practices:

Jordan praised Arenas for the way he ran the team while scrimmaging.

"His passing was phenomenal," Jordan said. "The way he found people with his passing was phenomenal. His team got a lot of easy buckets in practice."


This was what I predicted even before the re-injury as a possible silver lining in the whole deally. Gil has had a chance to watch the team perform when it's really clicking and really see the system from the outside, he gets to see the team without having to perform himself at the highest level. The last remaining criticisms of his game have been a) questionable defense and b) floor generalship, seeing the game as a true point guard.

He was working with Pete Carrill on this in the pre-season, and the old gnome of the Princeton sets said Gil picked it up faster than any student he'd had before. Now he gets to step in with lowered expectations and the mindset that he's going to take a backseat to the rest of the team, not have to carry the load, and work to get everybody else clicking. Then as he starts to regain full confidence turn it on when he can and as needed.

That's my read on why he indicates he might wait 'til Caron gets back, is willing to come in off the bench. As soon as Gil is on the floor the expectation is that he'll carry the load, especially if the team is losing. Not just expectation from the outside, but Gil's expectation of himself.


But if he can step back into the same team that beat the Celts back to back, the heavy weight of responsibility isn't on his back. Or knee. He can lay back, distribute, hit a few shots, then as needed and as he feels it, turn it back on full faucet. Same way when he and Larry played together they'd act as a bench for each other, when one was hitting, the other could rest, and so on, only now he can work to get all four working, then take his time and wait his turn.
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Post#85 » by Soup's Uncle » Wed Mar 5, 2008 2:51 pm

This was what I predicted even before the re-injury as a possible silver lining in the whole deally. Gil has had a chance to watch the team perform when it's really clicking and really see the system from the outside, he gets to see the team without having to perform himself at the highest level. The last remaining criticisms of his game have been a) questionable defense and b) floor generalship, seeing the game as a true point guard.

He was working with Pete Carrill on this in the pre-season, and the old gnome of the Princeton sets said Gil picked it up faster than any student he'd had before. Now he gets to step in with lowered expectations and the mindset that he's going to take a backseat to the rest of the team, not have to carry the load, and work to get everybody else clicking. Then as he starts to regain full confidence turn it on when he can and as needed.

That's my read on why he indicates he might wait 'til Caron gets back, is willing to come in off the bench. As soon as Gil is on the floor the expectation is that he'll carry the load, especially if the team is losing. Not just expectation from the outside, but Gil's expectation of himself.


But if he can step back into the same team that beat the Celts back to back, the heavy weight of responsibility isn't on his back. Or knee. He can lay back, distribute, hit a few shots, then as needed and as he feels it, turn it back on full faucet. Same way when he and Larry played together they'd act as a bench for each other, when one was hitting, the other could rest, and so on, only now he can work to get all four working, then take his time and wait his turn.


Absolutley right. That gives me chills right there. If GIl can come in and just do what Daniels does, but better, hit more shots, then we are gonn abe in great shape. Then, when we need him to light up the hibachi, he can. Ohh man...I sure hope he stays healthy cus we can be deadly.
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What? Gil Still Opting Out To Sign A Max Contract? 

Post#86 » by BballerShotCaller » Wed Mar 5, 2008 3:22 pm

What Makes Gil think that just because he's determined to still opt out,
that his value will automatically translate into a Max Contract?
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Re: What? Gil Still Opting Out To Sign A Max Contract? 

Post#87 » by Donkey McDonkerton » Wed Mar 5, 2008 3:35 pm

BballerShotCaller wrote:What Makes Gil think that just because he's determined to still opt out,
that his value will automatically translate into a Max Contract?


Because Gil is a baller / shot caller /Twenty inch blades -- on the Impala
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Post#88 » by Joe_Wiz » Wed Mar 5, 2008 8:44 pm

Shanghai Kid wrote:I have no problem with Gil coming back as soon as possible. What really is the difference between him going hard in practice and him playing limited minutes in games?

The big thing, of course, is to limit his minutes. It's going to take a while probably for him to get everything going for him again. But if he's only playing limited minutes and he still gets hurt, than theirs something bigger wrong here and than you shut him down for the season.

This is the 3rd or 4th time I have read this statement. Don't people go back a few pages and read before they post?


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Post#89 » by newslowsad » Wed Mar 5, 2008 11:46 pm

Around The Horn and PTI throwing around yet another "OMG GILBERT PLANS TO OPT OUT" story. :banghead:
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Post#90 » by Rafael122 » Thu Mar 6, 2008 12:20 am

What's sad is that Wilbon and Kornheiser have stroke on that show. This story has been known since last summer yet they keep bringing it back. They live in the area! Read your own paper!
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Post#91 » by fishercob » Thu Mar 6, 2008 1:17 am

Tony's style column makes great bathroom reading, and I like the "old guy radio bit." But it annoy the hell out of me that he's paid to talk about sports on TV and has no understanding on the intricacies of the league.

His take on Gilbert today was ridiculous, and it just shows that he has no idea what the marketplace looks like or what Gil is really asking for.
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Post#92 » by omegatronic3 » Thu Mar 6, 2008 6:16 am

gils talking like he wants out....he has to come back or his value wont be as high coming off an injury. The thing that worries me is that hes playing for a contract and not necessarily for the team. He'll be jacking shots trying to get his rythm back like he was earlier this season.
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Post#93 » by hands11 » Thu Mar 6, 2008 1:50 pm

Donkey McDonkerton wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



:rofl: at you confirming your prediction from an ESPN peace...


regardless of your liking of the source, it remain accurate.
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Post#94 » by hands11 » Thu Mar 6, 2008 2:12 pm

omegatronic3 wrote:gils talking like he wants out....he has to come back or his value wont be as high coming off an injury. The thing that worries me is that hes playing for a contract and not necessarily for the team. He'll be jacking shots trying to get his rythm back like he was earlier this season.


"His passing was phenomenal. Some easy baskets we got because some of that was the defense always gears towards Gil, leaving other people open. But the way he found people with his passes was just phenomenal."

He may be playing for the money but it looks like he has seen the light which is what I was hoping as the best case coming off the 2nd injury..

The max money is in being a Chris Paul and going deep in the playoffs.

CP just put up 23 pts 18 assists
He is averaging 21 pts 11 assists - 2nd in the league
His team is 41-19
He is an MVP candidate

He is arguably the best PG in the league.

He ranks 2nd on this list PER behind only Lebron
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinge ... statistics


That's were the money is. My hope was that that Gil see this kid the one he need to unseat. Kobe isn't Gil's peer, Chris Paul is. If this is true, I look for amazing things from Gil and this team because when needed, GA has more offense then CP. He can be CP+ if he set his sights on that goal. And if that is what we are about to get, we can go deep in the playoffs. GA should get a very good contract and the future looks bright.
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Post#95 » by waterboi1234 » Sun Mar 9, 2008 7:27 pm

any new update on his return date in March?
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Post#96 » by miller31time » Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:14 am

waterboi1234 wrote:any new update on his return date in March?


Nope. Last thing I heard was the ol' "no timetable for return" line.

He's cleared to practice, but needs to get into game-shape.
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Post#97 » by hands11 » Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:28 am

waterboi1234 wrote:any new update on his return date in March?


No updates that I know of. Just what has been reported and predicted here already. He is practicing and resting and building his confidence. Every little bit helps. I even liked seeing him taking some shots during half time.

Game or not, they were shots in the arena with a crowd watching. Just another baby step.

The West Coast trip is probably a good prediction for his return.

For me, the news is all about CBs return. Looking forward to some good news Monday night or Tuesday after he practices.

The head lines should be all CB next week leading into him hopefully playing on Saturday. This should suck up the headlines but excitement will quickly build soon after because the 25th isn't to far away after that - only 4 games.

So hopefully we only have 2 more games to live through before things start to look up. This is way better then last year as injuries happened leading into the playoffs. This year we should be getting players back and if we can catch a wave on momentum, this could be a lot of fun because we have a better bench once we have our starters back.

The rookies got experience so they are actually usable now. Everyone is playable.

Vet Bench: AD, Songaila, Mason, AB
Rooks: NY, DMAC, OP

And if something happens to a big, ET should be ready before the playoffs also. But adding him means deactivating someone for that game. You would have to figure it would come down to DMAC or OP.

I think we are looking good as long as we have no set backs which I don't expect short of me worrying about AD, DS and AJ until we get CB and GA back.
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Post#98 » by hands11 » Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:44 am

http://my.nba.com/forum.jspa?forumID=400032200&start=0

Here is your update.

He doesn't know what a PG is. His mind hurts my head sometimes. I thought he was joking at first but the more I read the more I just shook my head. Oh course true PG can score. The best PGs can score. It's just a matter of what is there first priority. He doesn't know if Nash and Chris Paul are pure PGs?

I heard Chris Paul talking the other day. He said, the job of a PG is to make sure everyone touches to ball to start the game so you can figure out who is hot. Then fill in whatever is missing. What is so hard to understand about that?

He really doesn't know the difference between a 2 guard, a PG and a tweaner?

I also found it sad that his teammates were surprised he was such a good passer.

Just when I think he is getting it, he opens his mouth and stuff like this comes out. GA wants to do whatever GA wants to do when he wants to do it. All I know is he better stay here were we don't have a PG, we just have guards and his HC won't clamp down on him. That said, I think he would be a better player on a team where someone would.

#2 He is approaching his return like this like training camp, so it will be at least another 2 weeks.

#3 he doesn't think players should be compared. Honestly, that's just immature. Of course players are going to be compared. Players don't live in a vacuum. There is a history to this league. Being compared can be a burden but most players don't push away the compliment because it raises their stock. They just don't like it when they don't live up.

There were many players before MJ showed up but he managed to set his own identity because he did things that were unique and he won the biggest games.

Kobe's game is like MJs. Lebron's is not. Lebron is something different. We will have to wait and see if it is something in a new category or not. Right now I have him as Dominique-ish but thicker. nique was smoother though but LeBron is still young and has added other things like passing.

6-7 200 vs 6-8 250

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzUzAlOnCLE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyUf-9ruJi8

Dame Nique was a bad ass.

#4 He didn't know to condition is hair so it fell out. So now it is shorter. He wanted to be like Kobe but he can't be because Kobe is a SG/SF in the mold of MJ and GA is a SG/PG. A psychologist would have a field day with Gil. He just wears it all on his sleeve to see. Gil has a huge inferiority complex. He spells it out. He doesn't want to conform at all. He wants to do it how he wants to do it. That's why he doesn't like the comparisons.

I guess we will see what he actually does when he returns or if this is just another way to get press clippings as he admits or is covering up for the being scared comment.

What a head case.
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Post#99 » by MDStar » Tue Mar 11, 2008 3:04 pm

Here's one part, that stood out for me.

http://my.nba.com/forum.jspa?forumID=400032200&start=0

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Just let the young boys play! It's truly the only hope at this point.
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Post#100 » by TheKingOfVa360 » Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:21 pm

His blog was a great read. But yeah the comment about "his teammates being amazed by his good passing" was too funny


And Nique was the man! One of the best players ever.

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