Dirk Suspended

[Texas Longhorns]

Dirk officially suspended.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archi ... kirilenko/

[catalyst]

It was deserved. Just a shame when this team needs a win over a playoff team that this has to come down.

[Texas Longhorns]

I personally as a Rockets fan don't think it will affect the game. Terry is our killer, and Josh Howard kills us. Dirk does good sometimes, he's up and down, I saw he was doing good as of late though. But, Terry to me is a Rockets killer.

[Captain_Obvious]

I cant remember the last time we were without Dirk. He rarely gets injured or suspended.

[jtg41]

Not surprising, we know that Dallas isn't on the league's favorite list. The thing is we CAN still be a competitive team without Dirk. It's just a matter if everyone else wants to step up (J-Ho & Jet). We're missing Dirk, they're missing Yao.

We're looking at Kidd, JET, J-Ho, Bass, Damp.

Stack & George key bench players

then Lue and Mags.

[Teffer10]

So who becomes the starter in place of Dirk...Bass, Allen, George, Juwan?

[Teffer10]

I personally as a Rockets fan don't think it will affect the game. Terry is our killer, and Josh Howard kills us. Dirk does good sometimes, he's up and down, I saw he was doing good as of late though. But, Terry to me is a Rockets killer.

To me, Terry is a Mavs killer.

[Pootie41]

The Mavs actually have a better chance of winning without Dirk.. because when Dirk isn't in the game Avery doesn't go to all ISO basketball.

He will let the reigns out completely. Watch.. Avery will let Kidd run the ball like crazy.. which he won't do when Dirk is in the game.

Why do you think that is?

[FGump]

Why do you think that is?

You don't ask "why did he do that" questions about things that you have merely theorized could happen and that haven't even occurred (and probably won't). At this point, the "why" is "because Pootie is spouting yet another of his harebrained anti-Avery ideas again."

[CITYOFANGELSX3]

Whats up with dirks hard fouling lately? I remember sunday he did a foul that easily could of been flagrant, then the next game against the jazz he hard fouls kirilenko?

[HMFFL]

Well, that just makes things a bit more difficult, but I still feel we should win this game and hopefully we come to battle at home.

[Pootie41]

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You don't ask "why did he do that" questions about things that you have merely theorized could happen and that haven't even occurred (and probably won't). At this point, the "why" is "because Pootie is spouting yet another of his harebrained anti-Avery ideas again."

No.. harebrained is claiming coaches can't leave their jobs and go coach somewhere else.. and then you are proven wrong a few months later when West Virginia's Rich Rodriguez goes to Michigan.. Nice job fgump. Still waiting for you to admit you were wrong on that one. Stay classy, San Diego.

Also, this isn't the first time aveyr has doen this. He has done it all through his Mavs coaching career. He does it when Dirk is on the bench all the time. He will even have better players coming in off the bench than starting. He handcuffs Dirk offensively and then demands he's traded when Dirk fails to overcome the hinderances Avery himself creates.

[FGump]

Pootie you nitwit, you bring up some nonsense about Rodriguez over and over, and why in the world do I care? I have never mentioned his name in a post anywhere, ever, and you're obviously a lunatic to think he matters to me and to keep asking me about him when he means nothing to me. Typical stupidity on your part, of course.

If you are a WV fan, get over it, but I couldn't care less about him (or you).

Your attitudes about Avery are of course more stupidity with no basis or no logic. Always have been, always will be. Everyone here knows it.

[Pootie41]

Pootie you nitwit, you bring up some nonsense about Rodriguez over and over, and why in the world do I care? I have never mentioned his name in a post anywhere, ever, and you're obviously a lunatic to think he matters to me and to keep asking me about him when he means nothing to me. Typical stupidity on your part, of course.

If you are a WV fan, get over it, but I couldn't care less about him (or you).

Your attitudes about Avery are of course more stupidity with no basis or no logic. Always have been, always will be. Everyone here knows it.

Are you really so dense you can't put 2 and 2 together? I knew you were slow, but this is a whole new level of ignorance.

Fgump says Don Nelson can't leave his coaching position and go coach somewhere else because he is UNDER contract. He said I was an idiot for claiming Nellie could leave and go coach somewhere else. EVEN THOUGH Nellie already did this by coaching for the Warriors while under contract with Cuban.

So a couple months after FGump argues over and over again how he knows all.. Rich Rodriguez of West Virginia leaves that college and goes to coach for Michigan. Proving Fgump has no idea what he is talking about. But, we already knew that.. because Nellie did the same exact thing before his iditoic arguement. which is what I tried to tell him. But he still doesn't get it. Even NOW.

He isn't even inelligent enough to put 2 and 2 together to realize how he was proven wrong AGAIN. But he was proven wrong ebfore he even opened he mouth so it's no surprise.

[FGump]

Pootie, this is an irrelevant discussion here, when it has already been beaten to death elsewhere and EVERYONE disagreed with you and said how dumb you were. Now you wanna start it up again elsewhere in every thread when it's not even the topic being discussed. Dumb and pointless.

I'll address this topic just once, so you'll stop with your stupidity. Hopefully. But if not, just like the multiple times you've been banned here before, if you wanna bring up the same failed topic and stupidity and trolling over and over, you need to again be BANNED from polluting the discussions here. You add nothing.

For the record, you obviously are too dumb to understand that college coaches' deals are written in a very different way than the NBA. They allow the coach to leave for another job, and it's spelled out. It's written in the deal. NBA coach's deals are not like that. But no, you just think every contract for a coach in every venue in the world must be the same. It's not.

So what happened with a college coach is going to be completely irrelevant to an NBA situation.

If you want to look at an NBA situation, you look at Orlando and Billy Donovan, or Miami and Stan Van Gundy. Neither coach had the ability to simply walk away from their deals, and instead had to get approval from the team they had a deal with (which took negotiating and some significant concessions in both cases) or else they were stuck. That's exactly what would apply to Nellie and it's what gave Cuban the ability to choose to enforce his contract with monetary damages when Nellie didn't honor it.

Rodriguez was a completely different situation. Now stop being stupid by thinking it does, and let it go.

[kapak]

[quote="Pootie41"]The Mavs actually have a better chance of winning without Dirk.. [/quote]

Im not even a big Dallas fan, and i still feel the urge to call you out on that statement. First of all, your talking about last years MVP. Second of all, Dirk is averaging 24 points, 9 rebounds, 4 assists and a rebound/block per game. Regardless of his mediocre shooting average of about 50%, he only causes about two turnovers per game. Statistics asside, Dirk adds an immense amount of depth to the Mav's roster, there is no valid argument otherwise.


[i]Nowitzki said he didn't want to give Kirilenko a three-point play opportunity.

"I kind of tried to grab him, and unfortunately grabbed him around the neck," Nowitzki said. "Things went so fast, I didn't mean to grab the neck, but I just tried to hold him so he doesn't score. I happened to grab his neck and it was a bad fall."[/i] (espn.com)

How can you disparage a player for playing the game, flagrent fouls are part of basketball. If you watch the clip of the incident a couple times, its hard not to realize that Dirk fell during the foul too. He was caught up in the play, and due to the momentum of the drive he accidently took kirilenko down.

If T-Mac never released the statement regarding his feelings on this situation, Dirk would be playing on thursday, and TMac's nice little winning streat would probably sieze to exist. This whole incident is ridiculous, twenty years ago fouls like this would never have been reevaluated.

Ultimately Dirk is a great player. I find it a little odd that fans are deriding such a crucial aspect to your teams roster. It's baffling to say the least. For the record, if ISO Ball works, then run it; and win games. Im deffinately happy i grew up with the C's and other Boston sports. When Pierce took his jersey off and waived it around after being ejected in the playoffs a couple years ago, we didn't criticize him. Obviously it was an immature statement, regardless it happened- he got caught up in the moment. It happens to all of us, unfortunately Kirilenko was injured in the play, but its part of the game[/quote]

[Pootie41]

Which is why Nellie was coaching for the Warriors while under contract for Mark Cuban.

And Cuban is trying to sue Nellie and yet Nellie was still able to coach for the Warriors.

You say to look to the NBA and there is a clear example of a coach from our own team leaving and coaching for soemone else while under contract.

And WV is trying to sue Rich Rodriguez for coaching somewhere else too. Yet rich rodriquez is still there and will coach next season. he will have to pay a lot of money from his contract bu I said Nellie would have to do the same.

And the Stan Van Gundy situation is also an example supporting this. He went to another team coaching in the same conference. All Miami allowing it prevented is some financial penalty.

Again.. you were proven wrong. There is NO reaosn why college contracts would be ANY different than pro contracts. Especially when there are examples of both college and pros doing the exact same thing.

I have seen some obtuse people in my life but you take the cake.

Oh.. and if Avery isn't working against Dirk then why has Holger come out publicly against Avery? Again.. do you need a brick building to fall on your head?

Yet I'm the harebrained one.. haha

[Pootie41]

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kapak, I wasn't insulting Dirk, I was insulting Avery.

Avery doesn't like Dirk.. Avery views Dirk as his Darko Milicic.

[sosafan70]

Yeah, just like Darko. I mean, Avery NEVER calls plays for Dirk in the 4th quarter when the game is on the line or anything like that

[Pootie41]

Yeah, just like Darko. I mean, Avery NEVER calls plays for Dirk in the 4th quarter when the game is on the line or anything like that

Is an ISO a play?

That's all Avery calls for Dirk in the 4th quarter.

Again.. this way when dirk comes up empty he is the scapegoat.

It's a testament to Dirk that he still produces in those situations.

But Avery has to give Dirk the ball to some extent. He can't make it completely obvious he hates Dirk's game. That's how the con works.

And that's why it's worked so successfully.