Something I Don't Get...

Buckeye-NBAFan · Post #21 » by **Buckeye-NBAFan** » Thu Mar 6, 2008 5:27 am

RobertGlory wrote:i think it has everything to do with the lakers and cavs being on national TV a combined 40 times, and the hornets only twice

All due respect to Paul, it's because the clear cut two best players in the league have a combined 0 MVPs between them. At least one of them has to win one of those eventually.

LakerFanMan · Post #22 » by **LakerFanMan** » Thu Mar 6, 2008 5:30 am

I also think they're more clear cut now simply because they've upped their play, and they have. But CP3 should definitly not be left out.

Teckon · Post #23 » by **Teckon** » Thu Mar 6, 2008 5:35 am

I believe the perception come from the performance from Kobe and Lebron after the trades. Both Kobe and Lebron are more INSPIRED to perform better with "more talent" in their team as they now believe their teams have enough talents to go deep into the playoff to win the championship. With the extra inspirations, both Kobe and Lebron have raised their performance another level as shown in their latest 50pts games.

Chris Paul didnot really raise his level to stay in contention with Kobe and lebron's performances.

Post #24 » by **Schad** » Thu Mar 6, 2008 5:47 am

Phil_2.0 wrote:I should start a new thread. What does Kobe Bryant have to do win an MVP?

I am actually serious. It seems like we can all agree that his talent is one of if not the best in the game.

He has taken bad teams in to the playoffs with some pretty big efforts.

He now has a team at the top of the tough WCF with clearly better talent.

I am ok with Paul or Lebron or Kobe winning but I have to wonder what it would take for Kobe to be an MVP in this league by you guys??

Since I'm a stat nerd, I have LeBron first, because he's having a historically great season, followed by Paul (only seven players have ever put up 20/10), followed by Kobe. As such, I fall into the camp who believe that he deserved Nash's second MVP. What can he do to win everybody over? Not much.

The problem is there are three primary criteria, weighted differently: personal stats, team record, and 'effect on the team'. You're rarely going to find a player who dominates all three, which means that you'll always have disputes.

And because there is no set definition (nor ratio between these factors), it's possible for voters to vary the weight ascribed to each over time...especially when they want to give the award to a certain player. When Kobe was putting up guady stats, it was win-loss record that mattered and most. When he's winning, it's the stats. There's also the 'novelty' factor, and Kobe hardly excites in that regard. As such, MVP voting is incredibly biased and prone to silly rationales, which is why Shaq only has one and Michael Jordan doesn't have 10 of the $#!%ing things.

The question, though, is this: if Kobe has had MVP seasons in the past but was not rewarded with that honour, should he be given the award this year based upon that past, even if he isn't having the best season (if he isn't, using one's criteria)?

It is idiotic that he does not have one, but this has not been his best year, and his '07/'08 campaign (IMO) has not been better than those of Paul and James. But weighing MVP votes based on performance prior to this year is why the award is already a mess...while Kobe admittedly has been screwed, I don't like that as a justification to screw another player.

RobertGlory · Post #25 » by **RobertGlory** » Thu Mar 6, 2008 6:01 am

Teckon wrote:I believe the perception come from the performance from Kobe and Lebron after the trades. Both Kobe and Lebron are more INSPIRED to perform better with "more talent" in their team as they now believe their teams have enough talents to go deep into the playoff to win the championship. With the extra inspirations, both Kobe and Lebron have raised their performance another level as shown in their latest 50pts games.

Chris Paul did not really raise his level to stay in contention with Kobe and lebron's performances.

pau gasol debut was 2/5

new cavs' debuts were 2/24

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/g ... yerId=2779

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/g ... yerId=1966

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/g ... ayerId=110

since the pau trade cp3 has had a 42 point 9 assist 8 steal game versus nash, 31-11-9 steal vs. kidd, 25-15-6 rebound versus nash again, and 24-16-5 steal vs. deron, all hornet W's

Post #26 » by **LLcoleJ** » Thu Mar 6, 2008 6:04 am

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So the answer to the question is....

nothing he will never get it.... :lol:

I agree with what you are saying and with the regards to the other MVP candidates.

But I am still left with the question as what does he have to do to win it. You talk about him possibly screwing another player to get it.. but yet agreeing that he and others may have been screwed in the past.

I just would love to know what it would actually take for him to get the MVP and moreover deserve it in the eyes of everyone.