: Official Game Thread: Nets @ Grizzlies (Game 61)

[VCdagreat]

even thoguh rj was pretty good today i'd still rather see vince get many more oppurtunities.

Kyle Lowry is guarding him and vince can't take advantage . Still my fav player, don't know why, shows no heart, doesn't run after balls, and gives no effort.

Well, at least we got next game to look forward to.

[NetsForce]

I normally don't have beef with him but Carter's play bothered me tonight. Far too often Carter deferred to RJ and never seemed into the game. Carter doesn't come right out and say a lot of things and seems like a genuinely nice guy, so I'm just kind of sitting here and wondering whether his lack of aggression tonight was because of frustration or if it's possible that his ankle is still bothering him and he just didn't feel like he could effectively take over a game on the second half of a back-to-back...

Whatever the reason he didn't show up tonight.

[VCdagreat]

First of all, there is no need for any of us Net fans on here to insult each other or refer to each other as a "dumb ass" because our beloved team is getting the crap kicked out of them by garbage teams. That venom is better served being directed at Lawrence Frank.

Speaking of which....i find it hard to believe that this man still is employed. Are there any working professionals here like myself?(yes, i know, hard to believe). If i half arse it at my job, i would be on the internet within days filling out fields on the state of new jersey's unemployment website

so i ask....why isn't Frank on unemployment.gov....RIGHT now?

I hold the players accountable, and i will say some things about them when they play bad that make some of you on here upset...but i'm done looking at them. A team takes on the personality of it's COACH. This is one of the most timeless, most true sayings in basketball...EVER.

This team gets punched in the mouth and stands there looking at their opponent, bleeding from the lips and does NOTHING. Look at who they lost to tonight. Lawrence Frank couldn't light a fire underneath a damn stack of gasoline soaked dry wood in southern California forest, never mind the butts of this godforsaken team!!!!!

I'm not excited about us continuing to spiral down the toilet of the eastern conference standings and getting a great pick if this....idiot....continues to serve as head coach. What will young talent do for this team when you have a coach out there running sets that even the kids who ball at St Anthony's would LAUGH at?

good stuff, i know it was the players fault today, but you'd think, why do we have so much talent yet nothing to show for it, i think thats where a good coach steps in, one where our potential would actually show and we'd beat the red hot grizzlies.

the only good thing about frank is that i get a kick out of him and his claps, especially when w'ere down 14 and a guy hits 2 free throws, Frank thinks he's encouraging his players, but i could definately see RJ saying "F*** off Frank" or Devin saying "Who the F***'s that idiot clapping" and then VC saying"That's Frank, our coach".

[jcrack32]

First of all, there is no need for any of us Net fans on here to insult each other or refer to each other as a "dumb ass" because our beloved team is getting the crap kicked out of them by garbage teams. That venom is better served being directed at Lawrence Frank.

Speaking of which....i find it hard to believe that this man still is employed. Are there any working professionals here like myself?(yes, i know, hard to believe). If i half arse it at my job, i would be on the internet within days filling out fields on the state of new jersey's unemployment website

so i ask....why isn't Frank on unemployment.gov....RIGHT now?

I hold the players accountable, and i will say some things about them when they play bad that make some of you on here upset...but i'm done looking at them. A team takes on the personality of it's COACH. This is one of the most timeless, most true sayings in basketball...EVER.

This team gets punched in the mouth and stands there looking at their opponent, bleeding from the lips and does NOTHING. Look at who they lost to tonight. Lawrence Frank couldn't light a fire underneath a damn stack of gasoline soaked dry wood in southern California forest, never mind the butts of this godforsaken team!!!!!

I'm not excited about us continuing to spiral down the toilet of the eastern conference standings and getting a great pick if this....idiot....continues to serve as head coach. What will young talent do for this team when you have a coach out there running sets that even the kids who ball at St Anthony's would LAUGH at?

Same can be said for some of our players. I know Frank needs to put a fire under this team but these are grown men. If these players need to look at their coach to know what to do when they're getting pummeled, maybe they shouldn't be playing in the league. I understand what you're getting at but the blame goes on both sides. We all love to get at Frank but lets not forget the players.

[Serpo]

We need to play more like Philly does , they don't have great outside shooters either but they're running the hell out of their opponents .

But well i guess thats not possible with Carter he allways looks to slow the game down.

[Birth of the Cool]

if Lawrence Frank continues to not get any heat for this lack of preparation, especially against a team like Memphis, something is definitely wrong. Each time we play a back-to-back, we should just chalk it up as a loss. We show no intensity in games that matter, and we lose to arguably the worst teams in the league consistently all year.

The team played much better right after the Kidd trade. I guess since the new guys didn't know the playbook too well the seat-of-your-pants offense ran smoothly. Now they they have learned the 100+ plays *cough* they have become stagnant again...

I'm not down on Frank as much as some others but he does sometimes react too slowly to what the other teams coach is doing on both sides of the floor and other times he just micromanages too much. I think micromanagement in the playoffs is a good thing since your adjusting game to game to your opponents strategy but other times I think he has to let the guys on the floor just play basketball.

I'm just really disheartened w/ the way VC played tonight & just the overall 'heart' of this team. They should have been pissed off coming out of the locker room to be tied with the Grizz and played w/ some fire but they were flat pretty much all night. Very clinical (in a bad way).

oh & does anyone on this team know how to do a simple repost because there were times when VC was getting deep position on a 2nd repost and was calling for the ball & they just swung it to the opposite side (and this happens on to regular a basis...i'm surprised VC doesn't just give up once he throws it back out because most often he doesn't see it again).

[Birth of the Cool]

We need to play more like Philly does , they don't have great outside shooters either but they're running the hell out of their opponents .

But well i guess thats not possible with Carter he allways looks to slow the game down.

while VC's legs are like kryptonite to a fastbreak he is probably the best Nets player in initiating fastbreak opportunities w/ passes.

[Adam1221]

This is awful...............
And yes I do blame this one (again) on Frank, Carter's our main scorer giving him 11 shots in a game is absurd.
I dont know what Frank has on Thorn that makes blackmailing him so easy but still this is becoming redicolous.

[iver]

I don

[tsp00n]

not enough cuts... the nets need to attack the paint... i dont understand... why wouldn't you try to put pressure on your defense? if i was a player from the opposing team i'd let the nets shoot all day... it's not like any of them can drop 50pts on one night... more 3 of them can score 25+ the nets have a serious lack of agresion... vince carter and rj need to attack the rim CONSTANTLY.... trenton hassel is causing us problems.... atleast the way frank is using him... we are play small line-ups way to much and we're getting abused... it's crazy, it makes no sense...

[G_MoNeY]

VCRJKidd15 -- do you have any idea what you're talking about? DollarBills just covered most of the bases of why Frank should be fired. I stated other reasons.

There was a shocking stat the other night in a game, believe it was something like the last time we had a winning month, that night we won the game and was the first time in like almost a year, if I remember correctly?


Inexcusable! Back-to-back games are definite losses. Coach's fault. Offensive sets, coach's fault. Inability to get the ball into your best players hands at least 20+ times a game, coach's fault. Lack of trust in players. Coach's fault. Inconsistent substitution patterns, coach's fault. Inability to counter an opposing coach's gameplan, coaches fault. Need I go on? I don't think so!

I'm not saying it's ALL Frank's fault. The players have to be held accountable, but the coach is NOT putting them in the best position to win games, bottom line.

[ViNNNsanity]

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Frank is only part of the problem man. Its about time we start to place some more blame on the players. These guys know how to play basketball...the onus is on them to step up their game. Frank doesn't have to tell these guys to take the ball to the hoop. These guys should know that. Instead of settling for 3s and long jumpers, take the ball to the hoop. You can blame Frank for the poor offensive sets but what about on defense? These guys have no pride on defense--absolutely none! Its just disgusting to watch.

I don't want to bring up Kidd but someone mentioned that we don't have a leader on this team. Thats probably the biggest thing we lost in the trade. One of these guys needs to step up and take over the game. I don't mean just with scoring...its about willing the team to win doing whatever it takes.

You don't think sticking Trent Hassel at the 4 spot against the taller, QUICKER, more atheletic Hakim Warrik was a reason for bad defense??? And sure, have one guy taking it to the rim with 4 defenders collapsing on him, while the other 4 guys on your team are standing behind the 3pt line watching....players' fault indeed.

[ViNNNsanity]

it is not even funny how annoying it is that the same 3 people always blame Frank for every loss we have gotten. RJ VC and Harris can go 0-40 and somehow Frank will be reason for the loss. Hell im all for getting a new coach but im not an immature idiot that is always looking for a scapegoat. Da Big 3 and EFF just stfu if you have nothing intelligent to say besides"FIRE FRANK"or"F**K FRANK"

If 3 of our main guys shoot 0-40, it shows how dumb you are if you don't think the coach can't make a single adjustment to his plan of scoring.

[MrDollarBills]

I find it laughable that anyone is defending the coach at this point. This is like someone playing a game of chess, losing, and blaming the pieces on the board for the moves that he was making!! the pieces can only be effective if they are put in the right places to do so!! Frank does NONE OF THIS. The offense is horrible and the man is CLUELESS when it comes to defensive match ups. I would ADVOCATE a player led mutiny at this point just to get him the hell out of here, this man has dragged this team into the gutter.

This is a talented team that has two scoring wings, a lightning fast PG who can break down defenses, a center with outside touch and has the potential to go for 17-8 on most nights if healthy and involved, two athletic 4 men that can jump out of the building, one of which can block or alter shots, a PF who is soft as baby poop but can rebound when his heart is into it, and other assorted pieces. This team has too much talent on it, MORE talent than it had when Kidd was here, and they get torched because the coach has no clue about what to do with them.

100 plays in that playbook and not one of them involve simple backdoor cuts, post ups for our only scoring big, or plays that utilize Carter's ability to draw triple teams, score, and make passes to the open man that should be CUTTING THROUGH THE PAINT. Rod Thorn should be ashamed of himself for allowing this garbage to go on and trying to save face by trying to blame the players for the mess that this team has become on the floor.

Its time for that head to get CUT OFF.

[netsforever]

I find it laughable that anyone is defending the coach at this point. This is like someone playing a game of chess, losing, and blaming the pieces on the board for the moves that he was making!! the pieces can only be effective if they are put in the right places to do so!! Frank does NONE OF THIS. The offense is horrible and the man is CLUELESS when it comes to defensive match ups. I would ADVOCATE a player led mutiny at this point just to get him the hell out of here, this man has dragged this team into the gutter.

This is a talented team that has two scoring wings, a lightning fast PG who can break down defenses, a center with outside touch and has the potential to go for 17-8 on most nights if healthy and involved, two athletic 4 men that can jump out of the building, one of which can block or alter shots, a PF who is soft as baby poop but can rebound when his heart is into it, and other assorted pieces. This team has too much talent on it, MORE talent than it had when Kidd was here, and they get torched because the coach has no clue about what to do with them.

100 plays in that playbook and not one of them involve simple backdoor cuts, post ups for our only scoring big, or plays that utilize Carter's ability to draw triple teams, score, and make passes to the open man that should be CUTTING THROUGH THE PAINT. Rod Thorn should be ashamed of himself for allowing this garbage to go on and trying to save face by trying to blame the players for the mess that this team has become on the floor.

Its time for that head to get CUT OFF.

+1.

The reason we aren't a playoff-level team has a lot more to do with the coach than any lack of talent. I understood keeping him around with Kidd and RJ here - he's a player's coach, and I can respect that... but with Kidd gone and RJ having criticized Frank publicly earlier this season?

Fire him.

[EFF]

vcrjkidd15 or whatever your name is...it is about 85% frank's fault. You wanna blame the players? go ahead but I dont because what the coach puts them out there to do is so nonsense I don't blame them for standing around in confusion.

We can probably match the spurs in talent. we might even have more individual talent. what's the difference here? They play hard? fine. But they also play hard within a system that maximizes each player's ability.

Frank does the exact opposite. Devin has amazing speed..Frank's prescription is for him to slowly bring the ball up, stop at the 3 points line, pass to RJ and run away. Vince is our best player so Frank tells him to take a break until the 4th when we're down by 14 to the griz. They were having a layup drill, but Frank leaves every shot blocker on the bench. Frank is one sexual harrasment suit away from being Isaiah thomas.

and also..you tell me to be intelligent when all you had to say was "stfu stupid face." Good one.

[iver]

And another thing...

[NetsForce]

Boki has been injured for the past couple of games

[iver]

Upss... I don

[rag-time4]

how the F**K did we lose to a team with 14 wins and 9 consceutive losses, oh wait figured it out frank, Lawernce frank

I was wondering myself ... seeing Swift and Sean Williams with 5 mintes apiece while Nenad got 35 says it all...

And why is Hassell getting so many minutes, specially at PF? Does frank think that Stromile couldn't guard Warrick? lol What does he have against Stromile?

Williams and Swift both outperformed Krstic and Boone in the +/- in this game.

YAWN