Arenas Talking Like Max Contract Is Automatic For Him

TheKingOfVa360 · Post #81 » by **TheKingOfVa360** » Thu Mar 6, 2008 1:02 pm

StephenLynchfan wrote:When Brand is healthy he should be in that last category TheKing.

Your right he totally slipped my mind, that guy is a Warrior

TheKingOfVa360 · Post #82 » by **TheKingOfVa360** » Thu Mar 6, 2008 1:06 pm

Texas Longhorns wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Man, you are such a homer in this thread. I think your are missing Yao Ming in the "Superstar" column unless you think he's not even a borderline superstar. Everything you have said in this thread is your opinion so don't insult others trying to defend your opinion. Just tell them this is what I think and just acknowledge theirs. There's no need for this going back and forth.

Ex. My opinion - T-Mac > Arenas
Now you would say, I accept your opinion, but I disagree with it. You don't have to tell me people they are wrong because they aren't. If you tell others they are wrong, you are wrong.

I forgot Yao Ming who is a legit beast.

Are you reading the thread? I'm the one being attacked and insulted from all angles. Heat fans came out of no where downing my opinion (and bring up things that have nothing to do with this productive thread) not the other way around. And I'm a homer where did you get that gem? Is that not an insult to me. You just said "tell people my opinion and don't insult them" yet your insulting me for my view on things.

Happyfoosball · Post #83 » by **Happyfoosball** » Thu Mar 6, 2008 2:16 pm

Anyone who thinks he isn't going to get a max contract is crazy. Or they are just plain hating.

G35 · Post #84 » by **G35** » Thu Mar 6, 2008 2:42 pm

Storm Surge wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Yao Ming by himself probably generates more revenue than the entire Grizzlies franchise.

He doesn't deserve max money my ass.

I don't care if he generates more money than Halo 3.

I said production on the court also.

Last 3 years of Yao's career

2005 57 games
2006 48 games
2007 55 games

Playing 2/3rds of a season for the last 3 consecutive years ain't max contract in my eyes.......

Post #85 » by **miller31time** » Thu Mar 6, 2008 3:27 pm

In Shaq's 16-year NBA career, he has averaged 63 games played per season. He misses nearly 1/4th of every season.

Shaq, like Yao, was very healthy for his first 3 seasons.

Shaq's first 3...

92/93 = 81 games played
93/94 = 81 games played
94/95 = 79 games played

Yao's first 3...

02/03 = 80 games played
03/04 = 82 games played
04/05 = 82 games played

Excluding Shaq's first 3 years, he has averaged 59 games played per season. Excluding Yao's first three years, he has averaged 53 games played.

Shaq is the definition of a max salary player. I believe Yao is as well.

TheKingOfVa360 · Post #86 » by **TheKingOfVa360** » Thu Mar 6, 2008 3:32 pm

On the topic of Yao's injury is it because of his height? Players over 7'5 seem to always get a lot of nagging injuries for some reason.

Post #87 » by **miller31time** » Thu Mar 6, 2008 3:35 pm

TheKingOfVa360 wrote:On the topic of Yao's injury is it because of his height? Players over 7'5 seem to always get a lot of nagging injuries for some reason.

I'm no doctor, but if I had to guess, I'd say it was part heredity (exclusive to Yao) and part height (exclusive to most big men).

BballerShotCaller · Post #88 » by **BballerShotCaller** » Thu Mar 6, 2008 3:36 pm

miller31time wrote:In Shaq's 16-year NBA career, he has averaged 63 games played per season. He misses nearly 1/4th of every season.

Shaq, like Yao, was very healthy for his first 3 seasons.

Shaq's first 3...

92/93 = 81 games played
93/94 = 81 games played
94/95 = 79 games played

Yao's first 3...

02/03 = 80 games played
03/04 = 82 games played
04/05 = 82 games played

Excluding Shaq's first 3 years, he has averaged 59 games played per season. Excluding Yao's first three years, he has averaged 53 games played.

Shaq is the definition of a max salary player. I believe Yao is as well.

Good counter argument here.

These forums are filled with great Point,.. then Counter-Point arguments like you've made above.

I bet some agents and their player representation staff glean a lot of different angles to strengthen arguments on behalf of their clients from things they've seen successfully put forth on these very RealGM forums.

TheKingOfVa360 · Post #89 » by **TheKingOfVa360** » Thu Mar 6, 2008 3:50 pm

miller31time wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I'm no doctor, but if I had to guess, I'd say it was part heredity (exclusive to Yao) and part height (exclusive to most big men).

Ok thanks it was something that was on my mind. Has it ever been a big man over 7'4 that didn't suffer a bunch of nagging injuries?

G35 · Post #90 » by **G35** » Thu Mar 6, 2008 3:55 pm

miller31time wrote:In Shaq's 16-year NBA career, he has averaged 63 games played per season. He misses nearly 1/4th of every season.

Shaq, like Yao, was very healthy for his first 3 seasons.

Shaq's first 3...

92/93 = 81 games played
93/94 = 81 games played
94/95 = 79 games played

Yao's first 3...

02/03 = 80 games played
03/04 = 82 games played
04/05 = 82 games played

Excluding Shaq's first 3 years, he has averaged 59 games played per season. Excluding Yao's first three years, he has averaged 53 games played.

Shaq is the definition of a max salary player. I believe Yao is as well.

Sorry imo not even a close comparison.

Shaq in his 3rd season took the Orlando to the Finals.

4th season took the Magic to the ECF's.

Shaq was statistically better through 6 years and has had better playoff success.

Yao and McGrady hasn't been able to get out of the 1st round. Of course the WC is a tough conference but if 2 supposedly max players can't do it then somebody is not worth the contract.

Also Yao just doesn't look as sturdy as Shaq. Shaq didn't play games because he was lazy and wanting to be an entertainer. Yao is more suspect because he is serious about the regular season, he doesn't take time off, he does put in the time to keep his body in shape. And he's still missing games.

I don't think it's going to get better in the future with all these injuries. If I were the Rockets I would start considering my options.......

Post #91 » by **Flash3** » Thu Mar 6, 2008 4:38 pm

G35 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I don't care if he generates more money than Halo 3.

I said production on the court also.

Last 3 years of Yao's career

2005 57 games
2006 48 games
2007 55 games

Playing 2/3rds of a season for the last 3 consecutive years ain't max contract in my eyes.......

Production wise, you have a point. But, from a marketing stand point and all the money Yao generates from an international standpoint, he's worth it, to an extent.

TheKingOfVa360 · Post #92 » by **TheKingOfVa360** » Thu Mar 6, 2008 5:24 pm

Flash3 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Production wise, you have a point. But, from a marketing stand point and all the money Yao generates from an international standpoint, he's worth it, to an extent.

Yao is worth max period due to the position he plays and the money he brings in. Yao is a world wide brand and since he is a quality center and its a lack of centers he is worth more than an all-star guard because it's so many of that caliber.

G35 · Post #93 » by **G35** » Thu Mar 6, 2008 5:34 pm

TheKingOfVa360 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Yao is worth max period due to the position he plays and the money he brings in. Yao is a world wide brand and since he is a center and its a lack of centers he is worth more than an all-star guard because it's so many of that caliber.

Tell that to Rockets fans when they have to face SA or the Lakers IF they maintain their playoff status.

Either you want to make money or you are here to win. I mean Donald Sterling makes a lot of money as the Clippers owner because he doesn't pay big money to free agents but they never win.

Yao isn't doing anything on the bench.........

Shanghai Kid · Post #94 » by **Shanghai Kid** » Thu Mar 6, 2008 5:38 pm

When healthy, Arenas is an All-NBA 2nd/3rd teamer, on the same level as a guy like Carmello Anthony who will no doubt get the max. And his popularity in DC is wayyyy more than what the casual fan may think.

FakeScreenName123 · Post #95 » by **FakeScreenName123** » Thu Mar 6, 2008 5:47 pm

Phoenix Rockets wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Arenas has done more than Tmac? LOL

almost.

Texas Longhorns · Post #96 » by **Texas Longhorns** » Thu Mar 6, 2008 7:11 pm

G35 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Tell that to Rockets fans when they have to face SA or the Lakers IF they maintain their playoff status.

Either you want to make money or you are here to win. I mean Donald Sterling makes a lot of money as the Clippers owner because he doesn't pay big money to free agents but they never win.

Yao isn't doing anything on the bench.........

Yao is a superstar. That's why he gets a max contract, no other reason.

LAKESHOW · Post #97 » by **LAKESHOW** » Thu Mar 6, 2008 7:18 pm

this goes to that thread someone had about hughes playing for fun and not championships. MAX players should be SUPERSTAR players. but it is what it is. lowered expectations. not hungry players who are just content.

but as was in that "hughes" thread, many cry and say, hey man, its okay, being a happy fun type of player is cool."

we'll, in LAKERLAND, that crap dont shake down. we dont hang division banners. and this guy doesnt deserve a max contract. again, he will most likely get it, because everyone is a superstar, and the league is watered down with average to a little above average players . . . claiming to be otherwise.

but hooraaay, some of you can be happy with that.

MagicalMan · Post #98 » by **MagicalMan** » Thu Mar 6, 2008 7:54 pm

Arenas could get the max. It just depends if any team out there is able to throw that kind of money at him. If Ra$hard Lewis can get the max as a #2 option in Seattle, than Areans should be able to get the max being the number 1 option for the Wizards.

Post #99 » by **miller31time** » Thu Mar 6, 2008 9:12 pm

LAKESHOW wrote:this goes to that thread someone had about hughes playing for fun and not championships. MAX players should be SUPERSTAR players. but it is what it is. lowered expectations. not hungry players who are just content.

but as was in that "hughes" thread, many cry and say, hey man, its okay, being a happy fun type of player is cool."

we'll, in LAKERLAND, that crap dont shake down. we dont hang division banners. and this guy doesnt deserve a max contract. again, he will most likely get it, because everyone is a superstar, and the league is watered down with average to a little above average players . . . claiming to be otherwise.

but hooraaay, some of you can be happy with that.

So the league -- a league which many analysts are saying could be the most talented ever -- is watered down with average to slightly above average players?

I mean, if you don't think Gilbert is a superstar, that's fine. I think he still has to prove a bit more to be considered one as well and I also believe there are few TRUE superstars in the NBA.

But you're really going to stick with saying the NBA is a watered-down league full of average-slightly above-average players? Really?

TheKingOfVa360 · Post #100 » by **TheKingOfVa360** » Thu Mar 6, 2008 9:26 pm

LAKESHOW wrote:this goes to that thread someone had about hughes playing for fun and not championships. MAX players should be SUPERSTAR players. but it is what it is. lowered expectations. not hungry players who are just content.

but as was in that "hughes" thread, many cry and say, hey man, its okay, being a happy fun type of player is cool."

we'll, in LAKERLAND, that crap dont shake down. we dont hang division banners. and this guy doesnt deserve a max contract. again, he will most likely get it, because everyone is a superstar, and the league is watered down with average to a little above average players . . . claiming to be otherwise.

but hooraaay, some of you can be happy with that.

I'm in shock :crazy: