Should we have traded for J-Rich instead of Ray Allen?

[TheCelticTruth]

Wow. Some of you are unbelievable!

We have one of the best shooters and one of the most clutch players in the NBA and people want to trade him for some random shooting guard every other week.

Do you people really don`t see what Ray brings to this team? Do you really don`t see how good he is?l

his impact isnt as obvious to some.

wed be a lot worse, even if we made more highlight reels, if we had j-rich. hes good but ray is great

[Datruth345]

Ray Allen is better than Jason Richardson...there is no way around it

even if Ray Allen's numbers are down, he is still a better player than Richardson

it comes as no surprise to me this thread comes after j-rich drops 42

[Celts17Pride]

it comes as no surprise to me this thread comes after j-rich drops 42

while taking 32 shots.

Antoine Walker would be proud of that effort.

[Truthiracy]

I just don't like certain personalities for this team, J-Rich, Ricky Davis, and Gerald Green come to mind.

[sully00]

While I don't think it is a great idea, it isn't a ridiculous concept to write a thread about. He is another star quality SG that was dealt this offseason and he is 5 years younger than Ray.

At least it is not another GD Chris Anderson thread.

All I am saying is kill it all you want but it is a valid if wrong headed thread.

[campybatman]

As Garnett has shown for Boston this season since returning from his injury, you don't have to be scoring the ball to contribute to helping the team win games. Ray Allen is an easy scapegoat by certain fans for whatever the reasons. Personally, I believe his struggles early on were attributed to his lingering pain from his surgery or additional pain from a related injury in his feet or ankles. This affected his shooting. However, to me, he seems to be finding a groove now and last night's game proves that he can find ways to help even when his shot's failing him. Rivers is making a conscious effort to get him more involved in the offense. Ray isn't the weakest of the three. He has sacrificed the most for the good of the team than the other two: Pierce and Garnett.

Ray Allen is still one of the league's best players as proven during the All-Star game. I'm fine with Ray being a Celtic and wouldn't prefer Richardson over him. These three players, Paul, Kevin and Ray, are a near perfect blend of complementary talents. From this, the team's chemistry benefits the most.

[grantlongforpresident]

yo.

we have already made the playoffs.
we have the best record in the league.

Do you really wanna see J-Rich hogging the ball and throwing up bricks. J-Rich stinks. F Stats.

[greenbeans]

how come people give Tony so much slack but sh** on Ray???
they both came back from pretty serious injuries and nobodies saying nada about Tony

[Falstaff]

Man, I just don't believe the crap Ray Allen takes around here. I've watched almost every game this year, and I can't think of a single game where I thought "wow, Allen just sucks tonight." Sure, the shot isn't always there - but then the team isn't always looking for him.

He seems like the kind of player who is always doing something positive, whether it shows up in the box score or not. No, I would never trade Allen for JRich. In the playoffs, with the game on the line, I'll take Allen any day of the week.


Someone around here needs to become the Dr. Smith for Ray Allen. We need someone utterly psycho who will defend him to the bitter end. He deserves it.

[Jammer]

OP asks: Should Celts have traded for J-Rich?

Answer: Not if you want to win games.

[bruno sundov]

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I think Ray will be realllllll clutch in the playoffs.

he will be a huge asset come may and june.

[Big Baby Burger]

You people must not be watching the games, because Ray Allen's defense has improved 5x from past years. Sure, his offense has been spotty, but everything else has been great! Remember when he D'd up Kobe and held him in check, relatively speaking? He harassed Rip pretty much all 3 games against the Pistons. The only real disaster Ray has had on D was that one game against Charlotte when J-Rich went off.

Pay attention, geez.

[TheMartian]

Of the big 3, Ray Allen is clearly the weakest link. If hes not shooting the ball well, he isnt helping that much. As an older player, each year he is going to have fewer and fewer good games until he becomes just a shooter off the bench. We could have had Jason Richardson for the 5th pick, would you guys rather have him over Ray?

I can understand wanting J-Rich because of his numbers, but choosing him over Ray Allen is just wrong. Ray is the ultimate teammate, much like KG and Paul Pierce. He knows his role on the team and doesn't do anything to mess up their chemistry. He understands what he needs to do to achieve what the team is aiming for - the NBA championship.

I honestly don't think J-Rich would've meshed well with the team as well as Ray Ray has.

[7seventynine9]

Everyone looks better defensively playing alongside KG.

I dont see why anyone would want JRich period. Hes another dime a dozen SG.

Plus Ray Allen can just make shots no one has a right making,

[hoopster]

You people must not be watching the games, because Ray Allen's defense has improved 5x from past years. Sure, his offense has been spotty, but everything else has been great! Remember when he D'd up Kobe and held him in check, relatively speaking? He harassed Rip pretty much all 3 games against the Pistons. The only real disaster Ray has had on D was that one game against Charlotte when J-Rich went off.

Pay attention, geez.

Actually, Ray did not play in the game the C's lost to the Bobcats. JRich did his damage against the vaunted defense of one Paul Pierce.

[Jammer]

Although I feel that this stat is not indicative of the true contribution of Ray Allen to the Celtics, since he has given up 6.6 FGA per game from last year, it still is strongly in his favor compared to J-Rich.

Net PER (Your offensive PER minus Your Man's PER)

+5.9 Ray Allen

+2.6 Jason Richardson

Not even close, despite Ray giving up 6.6 shots from last year.

Like I said, if you want to win, you don't consider this move.

[Celtics_85]

Allen commands more attention than Richardson. This benefits our team as a whole, so allen is my choice.

[tlee324]

Reasons this is a bad idea:

1) Ray Allen is the most clutch player on our team;

2) Ray Allen is having one of his most efficient seasons as a pro;

3) Despite being the focal point of his team's offense, Jason Richardson's stats are only slightly better than Allen's;

4) Ray Allen has been a better defender this season than Richardson;

5) Jason Richardson had major injury concerns coming into this year, and only averaged 16.0 ppg last year;

6) Jason Richardson's attitude has been questioned in the past, while Ray Allen is seen as a consummate professional;

7) Jason Richardson's game duplicates Paul Pierce's more than Allen's does.

Number 7 is completely spot on, as is the rest of the list. If anyone wants to break up the three or feel it needs improvement or wants to call someone a weak link, they aren't seeing how these players compliment each other and separately bring something unique to the table. Ray has been great and consistent for the Celtics as an all around player. He shoots well from all over, he can play the point, he handles the ball very well, he finishes, he passes, and he's even proving he can defend as well. I'm also willing to say he's hit more clutch baskets this season for the team than anyone else. If he's not, I bet it's close.

Sometimes I think fantasy leagues and highlight reels have taken away from the game in terms of gaining knowledgeable fans... There isn't even a big difference in their stats to begin with.... Ray simply doesn't shoot it as often... that's really the only reason he's scoring less... it would be a HUGE mistake to think Jason Richardson could do a better job overall.

The numbers aren't even that different on the court, but off the court, and in terms of leadership, there's no comparison... For example: Who do you think was the biggest factor that made Rondo a better shooter this year? Do you think Richardson would have worked all summer with Rondo on his shooting form? Besides, who would you rather learn from on shooting form and shooting drills anyway?

[BobbySura]

from what i've seen of jrich, he's VERY VERY hit or miss and extremely streaky.

one night he scores 42 and the next 12.