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Post#21 » by Gus McCrae » Thu Mar 6, 2008 10:10 pm

Last piece and I'll leave it alone. off of Realgm yesterday.

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Look at the 4th quarter stats...



http://lakers.realgm.com/articles/127/2 ... he_clutch/

"The NBA poses questions to the league's general managers before every season. One of the questions they ask is who is the most clutch player in the NBA?

Here are the results over the past 5 seasons:

2002-2003
Who is the player most likely to make a last-second shot if a game depended on it?
Kobe Bryant - 42.3%
Reggie Miller - 38.5%
Michael Jordan - 15.4%
Allen Iverson - 3.8%

2003-2004
Which player in the NBA would you want taking a shot with the game on the line?
Kobe Bryant - 52.4%
Reggie Miller - 14.3%
Tim Duncan - 9.5%

2004-2005
Which player would you want taking a shot with the game on the line?
Kobe Bryant - 81.0%
Tim Duncan - 4.8%
Allan Houston - 4.8%
Reggie Miller - 4.8%
Dirk Nowitzki - 4.8%

2005-2006
Which player in the NBA would you want taking a shot with the game on the line?

Kobe Bryant - 61.5%
Ray Allen - 15.4%

2006-2007
Which player in the NBA would you want taking a shot with the game on the line?

Kobe Bryant - 74.1%
Dwyane Wade - 14.8%

If I need a 4th quarter comeback against a middle-echelon defensive team incapable of keeping opposing players out of the paint, I'll take LeBron James.

If I need a game winning bucket or a comeback against one of the NBA's better defensive teams, I'll take Kobe Bryant. "
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Post#22 » by TheOUTLAW » Thu Mar 6, 2008 10:16 pm

Kobe had a heck of a game winner against the Cavs. Oh wait, that's right he didn't get it off because he couldn't shake LeBron while LeBron lit him up on the other end. I contend that those numbers will be overwhelmingly LeBron this year.
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Post#23 » by L&H_05 » Thu Mar 6, 2008 10:21 pm

Oh thank goodness polls are coming into this...

If I needed one player to take a last second shot between Kobe and LeBron, I'm taking Kobe...

If I'm taking one player to take a last second shot between Ray Allen and LeBron, I'm taking Ray Allen..

If I'm taking one player to start a 4th quarter of a close playoff game, I'm taking LBJ... Kobe simply doesn't possess the size, strength, speed, court vision or ball handling skills that LeBron has..

Hell, LBJ and Kobe are tied in turnover per game, and LBJ handles the ball a lot more than Kobe Bean..

Kobe is a better shooter, but that's all I'm giving him over LBJ... LeBron is a better overall player..
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Post#24 » by whathuh » Thu Mar 6, 2008 10:27 pm

L&H_05 wrote:Oh thank goodness polls are coming into this...

Kobe is a better shooter, but that's all I'm giving him over LBJ... LeBron is a better overall player..


QFT

Spurs fan here, but a huge Lebron fan also. Why does it matter how the GM's rate who they think is the most clutch player at the beginning of the season???

Majority of the GM's make so many mistakes in their own personnel, I'm sure they are the end all be all for all answers relating to opinions. As of this point in the season, Lebron has been clutch for the Cavs in the 4th quarter.

Also....I don't understand how everyone keeps proclaiming Kobe to be the best player in the world.
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Post#25 » by Cevap » Thu Mar 6, 2008 11:45 pm

yeah but Kobe and the 7 dwarfs were in the playoffs these past two years in the west......IN THE PLAY-OFFS!!!!

he's the best
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Post#26 » by dingclancy » Fri Mar 7, 2008 12:03 am

TheOUTLAW wrote:Kobe had a heck of a game winner against the Cavs. Oh wait, that's right he didn't get it off because he couldn't shake LeBron while LeBron lit him up on the other end. I contend that those numbers will be overwhelmingly LeBron this year.


Bet your sig space on it? :wink:
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Post#27 » by clutchkobe » Fri Mar 7, 2008 2:47 am

L&H_05 wrote:^^Do you not truly believe that if LBJ truly, and I mean TRULY wanted to, he can score an insanely amount points on any given night..

Look at LBJ and then look at Kobe... LeBron *IF HE WANTED TO* could get 40, 50 any game he wanted to by forcing his way into the paint/line etc...

We would probably lose 40-50 games if he played that way, but make no mistake about it, if the kid wanted to attack the basket on every possession or get into the paint, he could...And by doing so, would put up off the charts scoring numbers nightly..



i think lebron did want to score 50 tonight and could not!!!!!!!

is this what the poster meant by one of his dominating games. get real!!!!!!!


This is obviously trolling
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Post#28 » by TheOUTLAW » Fri Mar 7, 2008 3:08 am

I really do believe that only a Kobe fan would claim that they know LeBrons thoughts just so that they can claim Kobe is the better player. Wow, that's gotta be one of the silliest claims I've ever seen.
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Post#29 » by clutchkobe » Fri Mar 7, 2008 3:44 am

TheOUTLAW wrote:I really do believe that only a Kobe fan would claim that they know LeBrons thoughts just so that they can claim Kobe is the better player. Wow, that's gotta be one of the silliest claims I've ever seen.



maybe if you reread my post i said i think lebron wanted to score 50 points. reading is fundamental

Thanks for trolling even more, the third is the charm
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Post#30 » by TheOUTLAW » Fri Mar 7, 2008 3:49 am

Considering that LeBron has only taken more than 30 shots 2or3 times this season. I don't think you have a leg to stand on with your speculation that LeBron was attempting to go for 50 points. To say that was his goal and then say that he came up short is just silly and without any reasonable basis in fact.
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Post#31 » by clutchkobe » Fri Mar 7, 2008 3:51 am

i will leave your site....but one point. it cant be considered trolling when he came into our site and posted this mess!!!!!!!!!!! i wouldnt have even attempted to come into this site without having that garbarge spoil our site.
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Post#32 » by TheOUTLAW » Fri Mar 7, 2008 3:59 am

Understand that he was banned from the site for posting it. Walking in his footsteps is not the prudent thing to do. One would think that it shouldn't have taken you 2 warning to grasp that.
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Post#33 » by dingclancy » Fri Mar 7, 2008 4:05 am

TheOUTLAW wrote:I really do believe that only a Kobe fan would claim that they know LeBrons thoughts just so that they can claim Kobe is the better player. Wow, that's gotta be one of the silliest claims I've ever seen.


It is not a claim. Much like Lebron fans not acknowledging Lebron's words. It is sillier to speculate what he is not saying.
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Post#34 » by vtime » Fri Mar 7, 2008 3:21 pm

Your statement isn't true. Consider that in Eastern Conference you only play teams from the West twice a year and your Eastern opponents 3 and 4 times. Consider that the Western Conference teams beat up on each other all year and have to play each other 3 and 4 times. The Cavs get to play the weaker opponents all year and right now with their current record against mostly East opponents, their W-L record still only puts them 10th in the West. That speaks volumes to me. Playing against mostly Eastern opponents his team still doesnt make it in the West. If they played mostly West opponents where would their record be then? At least where it is now, but likely 12th-15th.

heathmalc wrote:LeBron James is the single most dominant player in the NBA. I am a Cavaliers fan, so it can be argued that I am biased, but let the record speak for itself: LeBron puts up numbers that no NBA player has managed since Oscar Robertson (the four game stretch of 30/12/11). He has put-up single game performances that hasn't been seen in 35 years (50 pts, 8 rb, 10ast). He is the youngest player to accomplish every feat, breaking records that Kobe previously held, a year earlier than Kobe.

Total dominance? LeBron James is 6'9 260 (according to him), he has played, and guarded EVERY position this season. What other player can claim that? Can any even claim 4 of the 5? He is the only SF I have seen back down Dwight Howard.

People say he doesn't play defense that well. I disagree. When the Cavaliers played the Lakers, who guarded Kobe in the 4th quarter - and shut him down? That's right, LeBron! And who guarded LeBron? Kobe. But did HE shut LeBron down? No.

I use Kobe Bryant here because he is the person that is considered the best scorer in the game... yet LeBron guarded him during crunch-time. If he can shut-down the default best scorer in the league, then how can anyone say he isn't a good defender?

Add to all of this that he turned 23 years old just a couple months ago, and how can anyone not be convinced that LeBron is the single most dominant force in the league?

People point to Kobe Bryant as the best scorer. And I cannot deny that his shot is prettier than LeBron's and he makes some seemingly magical shots. However, LeBron shoots a higher percentage than Kobe, and if he took less jump-shots and drove the lane more, his percentage would rise dramatically.

In conclusion, LeBron does things that not even Michael Jordan accomplished in his illustrious career; He has gone head-to-head with the best big men and the best guards in the league, yet always seems to come out on top. When he is in the All-Star game (every year), he is the guy that the coaches run their offense through. When LeBron is on the court, he is the MAIN focus of the opposing defense, regardless of who else in on his team. That, in itself say everything that needs to be said: LeBron is the best.
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Post#35 » by LALakers4ever » Fri Mar 7, 2008 3:51 pm

Not to burst Lebron homer's bubble, but Kobe is clearly the most dominant player in the NBA. He dominates on BOTH sides of the court, while Bron only does it on offense. Has Bron ever scored 40+ ppg for an entire month? Kobe has done it 4 times, something only Wilt has done. Can Bron drop 50+ in 4 straight games? Can he drop 62 in 3 quarters? Can he drop 81 points? Let's be real, Bron hasn't even made a All-D team yet. He's like a young taller Barkley
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Post#36 » by CzBoobie » Fri Mar 7, 2008 5:00 pm

Damn you, Heath!
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Post#37 » by calibanPK » Fri Mar 7, 2008 6:23 pm

LALakers4ever wrote:Not to burst Lebron homer's bubble, but Kobe is clearly the most dominant player in the NBA. He dominates on BOTH sides of the court, while Bron only does it on offense. Has Bron ever scored 40+ ppg for an entire month? Kobe has done it 4 times, something only Wilt has done. Can Bron drop 50+ in 4 straight games? Can he drop 62 in 3 quarters? Can he drop 81 points? Let's be real, Bron hasn't even made a All-D team yet. He's like a young taller Barkley


Yes! Scoring is EVERYTHING in the nba! :roll:
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Post#38 » by LALakers4ever » Fri Mar 7, 2008 8:31 pm

calibanPK wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Yes! Scoring is EVERYTHING in the nba! :roll:

Did you read my post? :wavefinger:

Why did you skip over the 7 All-Defense team selections. How many does Bron have again????

Kobe is dominant on BOTH sides of the court.
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Post#39 » by calibanPK » Fri Mar 7, 2008 8:59 pm

LALakers4ever wrote:-= original quote snipped =-


Did you read my post? :wavefinger:

Why did you skip over the 7 All-Defense team selections. How many does Bron have again????

Kobe is dominant on BOTH sides of the court.


Sure did, though has Lebron even been in the league for 7 years???? Hmm.

To discount everything Lebron has proved the beginning of last year to present time on the defensive end is just silly.

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