Debate: Mayo or Gordon?

Pugsley_2491 · Post #41 » by **Pugsley_2491** » Wed Mar 5, 2008 12:20 am

Mayo without a doubt. I take him in a heartbeat. I really think he has the chance to be special in this league whereas Gordon I just see as being 'good.'

cdash · Post #42 » by **cdash** » Wed Mar 5, 2008 1:24 am

JBoogs37 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Thanks for clearing that up. I guess we have to agree to disagree here, because I do think it's that simple for Mayo. Not to say there wouldn't be an adjustment period, but I still think he can do whatever a coach ask, it's just that he's only been asked to score. And it's much more normal to have a poor assist/TO ratio when you're playing the 2 and not the primary ballhandler. But that still doesn't change my overall opinion of Chad Ford lol, but thanks for clearing that up.

I highly doubt Tim Floyd just says, "OJ, I dont want you to do anything but score. Defense? Not a big deal. Just score. Thats it." I am not lauding Chad Ford as the best in the business, but I do think his sources have more credibility than you give him credit for.

I think Gordon has fewer question marks. Really, at this point, no one expects either Gordon or Mayo to be a full time point guard in the NBA. They are both primarily scorers, but Gordon has more bulk and actually gives a crap on defense. He is excellent at driving to the hoop and drawing fouls. He has a ton of range on his shot and a quick release. I just prefer him to Mayo. Sorry, you guys are entitled to your opinions, and time will tell who will be better.

JBoogs37 · Post #43 » by **JBoogs37** » Wed Mar 5, 2008 2:25 am

cdash wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I highly doubt Tim Floyd just says, "OJ, I dont want you to do anything but score. Defense? Not a big deal. Just score. Thats it." I am not lauding Chad Ford as the best in the business, but I do think his sources have more credibility than you give him credit for.

I think Gordon has fewer question marks. Really, at this point, no one expects either Gordon or Mayo to be a full time point guard in the NBA. They are both primarily scorers, but Gordon has more bulk and actually gives a crap on defense. He is excellent at driving to the hoop and drawing fouls. He has a ton of range on his shot and a quick release. I just prefer him to Mayo. Sorry, you guys are entitled to your opinions, and time will tell who will be better.

Cool. I'm just saying Floyd ask OJ to use his scoring ability at SC, not be a playmaker. He's said it in a few articles. But Mayo's D? He's definitely one of the best perimeter defenders in the Pac-10, maybe the country...don't know about Ford's sources on that one. It doesn't take much to see that OJ makes an impact on both ends of the floor. Give me Mayo, and I'll take my chances.

priest · Post #44 » by **priest** » Wed Mar 5, 2008 2:39 am

cdash wrote:Gordon, easy. He doesnt have the ego that Mayo has, he doesnt have the character issues that Mayo has (Bumping a ref? In high school?), he actually plays defense, he gets to the line more often...yeah, I'll take Gordon.

WOW its not a problem that you picked gordon but the lies about mayo are crazy

hard49 · Post #45 » by **hard49** » Wed Mar 5, 2008 2:54 am

Gordon lacks the in between game: it is either drive to the rim or long kind of flat footed jumper.

cdash · Post #46 » by **cdash** » Wed Mar 5, 2008 4:01 am

hard49 wrote:Gordon lacks the in between game: it is either drive to the rim or long kind of flat footed jumper.

That my friend, is a very good point. I think that is something he can learn (and will have to learn). He is going to get blocked quite a bit at first in the pros because he is used to getting foul calls and throwing up garbage shots when he drives, and his first year or so in the league he just wont get those calls and wont get those crappy shots up over more athletic players.

cdash · Post #47 » by **cdash** » Wed Mar 5, 2008 4:02 am

priest wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

WOW its not a problem that you picked gordon but the lies about mayo are crazy

Lies? Please, if I have been misinformed then correct me.

bigballa3jj · Post #48 » by **bigballa3jj** » Wed Mar 5, 2008 4:19 am

cdash wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Lies? Please, if I have been misinformed then correct me.

well the ref flopped harder than manu ginobili does........

cdash · Post #49 » by **cdash** » Wed Mar 5, 2008 5:46 am

Yeah, but its not like I am making that up. It happened, whether or not the ref was trying to get attention or not. I dont like the way he "allowed" Floyd to recruit him either. That kind of thing just rubs me the wrong way.

Jemini80 · Post #50 » by **Jemini80** » Wed Mar 5, 2008 6:42 am

Mayo is the only top prospect i see actually playing good defense. Rose kind of just uses his speed to catch up to his man, Gordon is lacking, and Beasley is inconsistent. Gordon also doesn't elevate enough on his jumper, he can jump high for his size, but he just doesn't get up there when shooting.

cdash · Post #51 » by **cdash** » Wed Mar 5, 2008 8:13 am

Yeah Gordon does not elevate a great deal on his jumper, but he has such a quick release that it makes up for it a little bit. I still dont think Mayo plays defense, but I am done arguing there. Beasley isnt a great defender, but he isnt bad by any means.

Post #52 » by **Turisas** » Thu Mar 6, 2008 10:00 am

cdash wrote:Yeah, but its not like I am making that up. It happened, whether or not the ref was trying to get attention or not. I dont like the way he "allowed" Floyd to recruit him either. That kind of thing just rubs me the wrong way.

Did you actually see the footage? The ref was obviously baiting him.

Cracked Fingers · Post #53 » by **Cracked Fingers** » Fri Mar 7, 2008 3:59 am

Turisas wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Did you actually see the footage? The ref was obviously baiting him.

I live in West Virginia. I'm not even a big Mayo fan but that ref had a history with Mayo. The moment Mayo got close to him the ref dropped to the ground like Mike Tyson had just connected with a uppercut.

Boneman2 · Post #54 » by **Boneman2** » Fri Mar 7, 2008 5:04 am

Eric Gordon is a very good defender on the contrary. His strength really shows when he's d'ing up any college guard, and would be sufficient to cover most pg's and a lot of sg's in the NBA. Besides his silky jumper, Gordon elevates well and flushes it with authority.

Mayo is certainly turning the ball over a lot, on the college level. So maybe his future is a true combo, where Gordon will probably be drafted as a two guard, coming off screens, instead of initiating.

cdash · Post #55 » by **cdash** » Fri Mar 7, 2008 5:44 am

Cracked Fingers wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I live in West Virginia. I'm not even a big Mayo fan but that ref had a history with Mayo. The moment Mayo got close to him the ref dropped to the ground like Mike Tyson had just connected with a uppercut.

What kind of history?

bigballa3jj · Post #56 » by **bigballa3jj** » Fri Mar 7, 2008 6:53 am

cdash wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

What kind of history?

Mayo put a bag of dog crap on the refs porch and lit it on fire

sh00n · Post #57 » by **sh00n** » Fri Mar 7, 2008 7:40 am

I think Gordon has better potential; Mayo seems like he'll contribute right out of the gate but won't improve much further.

egplaya2004 · Post #58 » by **egplaya2004** » Fri Mar 7, 2008 8:30 am

Jerryd Bayless?

Jemini80 · Post #59 » by **Jemini80** » Fri Mar 7, 2008 8:59 am

sh00n wrote:I think Gordon has better potential; Mayo seems like he'll contribute right out of the gate but won't improve much further.

I'm hoping Mayo gets the Brandon Roy treatment, statements like that are what made Roy drop so low in the draft. I would love him to still be there for the Knicks if Rose and Gallinari are gone.

sh00n · Post #60 » by **sh00n** » Fri Mar 7, 2008 7:34 pm

Jemini80 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I'm hoping Mayo gets the Brandon Roy treatment, statements like that are what made Roy drop so low in the draft. I would love him to still be there for the Knicks if Rose and Gallinari are gone.

I only say that because he doesn't seem to have the attitude of wanting to improve. I think NY would be the worst place for Mayo to end up.