2003 Draft: Reset

Scalabrine · Post #1 » by **Scalabrine** » Fri Mar 7, 2008 3:42 pm

Ive done this many times before the player comparison board has been here im not sure if weve ever done it on the player compairison board but im sure its been done, not recently so lets do it.

If you could hit the reset button on the 2003 draft what would it look like? This is just a fun thing to do to see how much different teams would be if they had a crystal ball on draft night. This isnt simply the best players in order its also based on team need and things like that.

Heres a list of the playerpool http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_NBA_Draft to help you out with deciding players.

1. Cleveland - LeBron James
2. Detroit - Chris Bosh
3. Denver - Carmello Anthony
4. Toronto - Dwayne Wade
5. Miami - Josh Howard
6. Clippers - Chris Kaman
7. Chicago - David West
8. Bucks - Kirk Hinrich
9. New York - Mo Williams
10. Washington - T.J. Ford
11. Golden State - Leandro Barbosa
12. Seattle - Boris Diaw
13. Memphis - Nick Collison
14. Seattle - Luke Ridnour
15. Orlando - Kyle Korver
16. Memphis - Luke Walton
17. Phoenix - Travis Outlaw
18. New Orleans - Kendrick Perkins
19. Utah - Sasha Pavlovic
20. Memphis (via Boston) - Darko Milicic (based on potential if he hadnt been with Larry Brown)
21. Atlanta - Zaza Pachulia
22. New Jersey - Jason Kapono
23. Portland - Steve Blake
24. Lakers - Mikael Pietrus
25. Detroit - Keith Bogans
26. Minnesota - James Jones
27. Boston (via Memphis) - Brian Cook
28. San Antonio - Carlos Delfino
29. Dallas - Michael Sweetney (id like to think that Johnson would have kept him in shape and not have let him eat himself out of the league like Skiles did)

30. Charlotte - Willie Green

with the 33rd pick in that draft eh Miami Heat selected Jerome Beasley I thought that was kind of funny.

What would yours look like?

What would be the most interesting change in team to see, for me its probably Chris Bosh being with the Detroit Pistons and how dominant they would be right now with him on the team instead of drafting Darko the bust.

Alex_De_Large · Post #2 » by **Alex_De_Large** » Fri Mar 7, 2008 4:14 pm

i agree with everything, maybe barbosa in the top10 instead of hinrich or something.

conleyorbust · Post #3 » by **conleyorbust** » Fri Mar 7, 2008 4:33 pm

Bron
Wade
Bosh
Melo
Howard
West
Kaman
Ford
Barbosa
Hinrich

Kaman could be a few spots higher but I think of him as a late bloomer. Melo could end up being lower in the long run but he was good off the bat.

Scalabrine · Post #4 » by **Scalabrine** » Fri Mar 7, 2008 5:01 pm

I put Carmello after Bosh because Prince works well in the Pistons system and they could use a player like Bosh even though he is similar to Rasheed Wallace. Carmello is better then Bosh though in my opinion.

Imagine the Bulls with West instead of Hinrich though they would be nasty.

Duhon/Gordon
Hughes/Gordon/Seflosha
Deng/Nocioni/Seflosha
West/Thomas/Nocioni
Noah/Gooden/Gray

Thats a pretty good team with good defense and a balanced offense instead of what they have now.

Toronto with Wade instead of Bosh is interesting...
Calderon/Ford
Wade/Delfino/Kapono
Parker/Moon/Kapno
Bargnani/Humphries
Rasho/Brezec/Humphries

that probably would have changed the Ford and Villanueva trade too because that lineup right there is pretty terrible, at least they would be in the running for Beasley, he would improve that team big time.

NetsForce · Post #5 » by **NetsForce** » Fri Mar 7, 2008 5:12 pm

Melo seems like he would have been a better fit with Detroit, sure he's not a big man but he's more of a system player and can actually move without the ball.

risktaker91 · Post #6 » by **risktaker91** » Fri Mar 7, 2008 9:13 pm

At the time we had Vince Carter, so I'm not sure of the Wade pick, but obviously he's the best of what's left. Maybe Wade would've convinced Carter to stay.

Calderon
Wade
Carter
Bargnani
Rasho

Not sure if Wade/Carter would work.

Post #7 » by **Doctor MJ** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 6:19 am

Don't see why you'd take Anthony over Wade unless you take it as a given that he'd get permanently reduced in value after an injury a few years into his career.

no D in Hibachi · Post #8 » by **no D in Hibachi** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 2:59 pm

I can tell you why you should take Melo over Wade. The Heat have the worst record in the league and Wade has played all season. Melo at least has a chance of taking his team to the play offs in the western confrence.

T-Spot · Post #9 » by **T-Spot** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 4:41 pm

no D in Hibachi wrote:I can tell you why you should take Melo over Wade. The Heat have the worst record in the league and Wade has played all season. Melo at least has a chance of taking his team to the play offs in the western confrence.

Well Wade does not play with Iverson, Kenyon, Camby, and crew. Alexandro Johnson and Jason Williams are great partners, indeed. And he's been playing injured [that's an understatement].

I don't remember Melo taking over in the playoff's, I remember Wade spanking the Pistons and Mavs. Wade > Melo.

Wade2k6 · Post #10 » by **Wade2k6** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 6:04 pm

no D in Hibachi wrote:I can tell you why you should take Melo over Wade. The Heat have the worst record in the league and Wade has played all season. Melo at least has a chance of taking his team to the play offs in the western confrence.

Lol don't even bring that up. Has Melo even won a playoff series yet? Don't think so. Has Melo ever won a NBA title? Don't think so. Does Melo have a finals MVP? Once again, don't think so.

Melo made it to the playoffs 3 times, and has managed to accumulate a 3-12 record. Very nice.

NetsForce · Post #11 » by **NetsForce** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 6:40 pm

Melo plays ouy west...

Silk Wilkes · Post #12 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 8:41 pm

Good thing Detroit messed up for a lot of the teams. I think it turned out well anyways since Detroit won a title. I like it the way it was. It shows how terrible some scouts are and how good others are.

Diaper Dandy · Post #13 » by **Diaper Dandy** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 8:53 pm

NetsForce wrote:Melo plays ouy west...

And? The year the Heat won, they beat the Pistons and the Mavs. The Nuggets lost to the Clippers.

I mean, are people starting to use "B-b-but it's the West!" for everything now? You do know the those Pistons and Mavs were better than the Clippers, right?

GJense4181 · Post #14 » by **GJense4181** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 10:20 pm

This is entirely based on today's team needs. To do this *correctly*, we'd need to look up every team's roster going into the summer of 2003 to see how today's players would have satisfied their needs.

1-Cleveland-Lebron James
2-Detroit-Carmelo Anthony (need a consistent scoring SF, period)
3-Denver-Dywane Wade (today they need either a PG or a SG to complement AI)
4-Toronto-Chris Bosh
5-Miami-TJ Ford (they could have kept the uptempo offense of Ford/Butler/Odom)
6-LAC-Chris Kaman
7-Chicago-Leandro Barbosa (essentially Ben Gordon a year early)
8-Milwaukee-Josh Howard (I couldn't even tell you who their SF is today)
9-New York-Kirk Hinrich (today their PG position is a mess)
10-Washington-Boris Diaw (granted, if Denver took Wade then Miami could not have taken him and traded Butler to Los Angeles who later traded him to Washington...but Diaw would fit, today. Arenas/Butler/Diaw/Jamison/Haywood.)
11-Golden State-David West (C in Nellie-ball?)
12-Seattle-Mo Williams
13-Memphis-Darko Milicic
14-Seattle-Sasha Pavlovic
15-Orlando-Carlos Delfino
16-Boston-Kendrick Perkins
17-Phoenix-Luke Walton (play the Boris Diaw role today)
18-New Orleans-Matt Carroll (better ball-handler than MoPete)
19-Utah-Kyle Korver
20-Boston-Nick Collison
21-Atlanta-Steve Blake
22-New Jersey-Jason Kapono
23-Portland-Travis Outlaw
24-LAL-James Jones
25-Detroit-Jarvis Hayes (unfortunately)
26-Minnesota-Luke Ridnour
27-Memphis-Willie Green
28-San Antonio-Zaza Pachulia
29-Dallas-Brian Cook or Marquis Daniels

All of these players remain in the NBA today. I count 7 first-rounders that were taken that are out of the league today.

Post #15 » by **Doctor MJ** » Sun Mar 9, 2008 3:07 am

GJense4181 wrote:2-Detroit-Carmelo Anthony (need a consistent scoring SF, period)

At the time of the 2003 draft, their glaring need was PF.

GJense4181 · Post #16 » by **GJense4181** » Sun Mar 9, 2008 3:52 am

^We had Mehmet Okur and Clifford Robinson, with either Tayshaun or Corliss capable of playing PF, as well.

Besides, I was talking about pressing needs TODAY, not in the summer of 2003.

Post #17 » by **Doctor MJ** » Sun Mar 9, 2008 4:22 am

GJense4181 wrote:^We had Mehmet Okur and Clifford Robinson, with either Tayshaun or Corliss capable of playing PF, as well.

Besides, I was talking about pressing needs TODAY, not in the summer of 2003.

I know you had them, but everything I heard out of Detroit at the time said that they were absolutely set as Prince being their SF of the future.

Don't really get why you're talking about the needs of today. Detroit of 2003 wasn't trying to maximize their 2008 team.

GJense4181 · Post #18 » by **GJense4181** » Sun Mar 9, 2008 5:30 am

^Because, like I said, I would have to research EVERY other team's draft needs, too, and re-evaluate how my current mental draft-class rankings would fit in with those. Which is too much work than I feel like doing at this point.

Assumedly, if these teams drafted these non-bust players now, they could/would still be on said team today and satisfy some sort of need, today.