Sixers' Iguodala has faith he can play for larger fortune

[SendEm]

SendEm, reference this "supposed" to average 20ppg thing, or that 20/5/5 was a minimum statline to which his performance would be judged.

You have 35 posts, show some usefulness and prove that it WASN'T said...

[noone]

I do recall reading/hearing expectations of him improving his game over last summer to averaging potentially 25ppg. But we all can CLEARLY see that was completely unrealistic indeed.

You weren't even here during the summer. You signed up in December 2007.

You have 35 posts, show some usefulness and prove that it WASN'T said...

As smart as you are, surely you would know that the burden of proof is on the one claiming something was said, and not the one asking for proof. Silly you.

[SendEm]

You weren't even here during the summer. You signed up in December 2007.

That was one of the most brain fartish comments that I have ever READ on realgm since I have been READING the forum...

[noone]

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That was one of the most brain fartish comments that I have ever READ on realgm since I have been READING the forum...

I don't believe you. Prove it. Find me this 25 ppg post you speak of.

[freshie2]

Shocking this topic turned into a forum for Send Em to display his superior knowledge...is it purely a coincidence that Send Em's posts began around the time of BK's exodus?? A week to mourn, and then on to RealGM.

[dond]

If he continues his current mode of play, I think that'd be the Iggy we've all been looking for. I'm fine with paying him whatever he's worth when this is all said and done. If he earns more money by REALLY stepping it up, that's a good thing

I agree. He does seem to be getting a little more consistent with less wild, out of control drives to the basket. His jumpshot, though flawed, does seem more consistent. He certainly helps the team in a multitude of ways. So, if he keeps getting better, that will be a good thing.

[SendEm]

I believe that had Stephanski been the GM he would have offered Iggy the $50 that Ben Gordan and Deng were offered. But with that said I wonder why the NETS overpaid for Vince Carter with that extension. Anyone could see that he was losing it and playing on vapors to do well in his contract season. It's no shocker that Vince is not doing what was expected of him this season. I hope Stephanski isn't a generous GM like B. King...

[Mik317]

This thread is a Cluster/**** of my "E-penis is bigger than yours".

dudes.........you will never convince SendEm otherwise just give it up.

[Johnny Broad-Street]

yeah...I never thought I'd resort to the ignore button, but this is out of control.

[Fire BK]

yeah...I never thought I'd resort to the ignore button, but this is out of control.

Seriously. SendEm, there's a lot more to being a good basketball player than PPG. Vince Carter has averaged over 23 PPG throughout his career. That's in the top 30 NBA all-time. But what will he ever win?

Give it up, bro! We all know Iggy can ball. Also, most people agree that he's better suited as a second or third option for a championship-contender.

[SendEm]

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Seriously. SendEm, there's a lot more to being a good basketball player than PPG. Vince Carter has averaged over 23 PPG throughout his career. That's in the top 30 NBA all-time. But what will he ever win?

Give it up, bro! We all know Iggy can ball. Also, most people agree that he's better suited as a second or third option for a championship-contender.

Basketball is a team game and you have to assemble the right balance of types of basketball talent. Iggy is a perimeter utility player in the half court and an excellent open court player. Championships are won in the half court. Iggy doesn't do anything well enough in the half court to be worth $11.5 million. Vince Carter scored well enough in the half court in his earlier years to have been worth what he was once paid. Too bad Toronto had one of the worst GM's ever in addition to having one of the first selfish me-first-show-me-the-money-I-want-to-be-a-franchise-player-trade-me-now player in Tracy McGrady. A single basketball player doesn't win a championship it takes a franchise. A utility player in the half court is worthless without a superior shooter, scorers, and low post player. We have already been through Iggy being the 4th best player on a chip team. The way that you prove this is by replacing the 3rd best player on any team that has ever won an NBA championship and asking yourself would that team still win the championship with Iggy in the place of the 3rd best player? More often than not you will come up with a NO! But when you replace the 4th best player on a championship team with Iggy you will receive plenty of positive answers.

I think that the Sixers are doing a terrible job with not giving Iggy a position. They need to lock in on whether he is a SG or SF and just leave with the weaknesses in brings to both positions in being an average rebounder, put back dunker, tip in lay in maker for a SF and a poor penetrator and long range shooter for a SG. If the Sixers had better players Iggy would no longer be able to pass up long range jump shots and not penetrate to the basket for easy buckets. Those short comings will be on full display ruining floor balance. Since the Sixers lack talent Iggy can be an opportunist getting fastbreak dunks and pull up jumpers after pounding the ball or coming off a screen.

Basically I think that most of you lack foresight and can't see how Iguodala wouldn't fit well on a team where he is expected to play a role instead of being given the greenlight to do whatever he wants when he chooses. See many players have been given the greenlight and abuse it with selfishness and bad decisions like Steve Francis, Marbury, Zach Randolph etc. Iggy has a decent basketball IQ and he is wise enough not to abuse his greenlight. Iggy is in complete position to score 45 points get 14 assists, 15 rebounds, 8 steals, 16 free throws 8 three pointers, etc. But he does none of that because he's not good enough in any area. He plays 40 minutes per night and he is the supposed "featured" player on this team. Andre Miller is picking up Iggy's slack. Andre Miller has NEVER scored this much in his life, but he HAS to because no one else on this team can be counted on to do so.

I have seen Andre Miller save the Sixers from getting blown out in the first half of so many times this season by being aggressive during a game where the Sixers came out EXTREMELY flat. He has saved us from a great deal of blowouts by checking the pulse of this team and saying "oh boy this on track to being one of those games" then he goes out and gets 10+ points in the first quarter all in the HALF COURT OFFENSE because none of the players on the Sixers BUT him can create his own shot with any consistency.

[76ciology]

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Basketball is a team game and you have to assemble the right balance of types of basketball talent. Iggy is a perimeter utility player in the half court and an excellent open court player. Championships are won in the half court. Iggy doesn't do anything well enough in the half court to be worth $11.5 million. Vince Carter scored well enough in the half court in his earlier years to have been worth what he was once paid. Too bad Toronto had one of the worst GM's ever in addition to having one of the first selfish me-first-show-me-the-money-I-want-to-be-a-franchise-player-trade-me-now player in Tracy McGrady. A single basketball player doesn't win a championship it takes a franchise. A utility player in the half court is worthless without a superior shooter, scorers, and low post player. We have already been through Iggy being the 4th best player on a chip team. The way that you prove this is by replacing the 3rd best player on any team that has ever won an NBA championship and asking yourself would that team still win the championship with Iggy in the place of the 3rd best player? More often than not you will come up with a NO! But when you replace the 4th best player on a championship team with Iggy you will receive plenty of positive answers.

I think that the Sixers are doing a terrible job with not giving Iggy a position. They need to lock in on whether he is a SG or SF and just leave with the weaknesses in brings to both positions in being an average rebounder, put back dunker, tip in lay in maker for a SF and a poor penetrator and long range shooter for a SG. If the Sixers had better players Iggy would no longer be able to pass up long range jump shots and not penetrate to the basket for easy buckets. Those short comings will be on full display ruining floor balance. Since the Sixers lack talent Iggy can be an opportunist getting fastbreak dunks and pull up jumpers after pounding the ball or coming off a screen.

Basically I think that most of you lack foresight and can't see how Iguodala wouldn't fit well on a team where he is expected to play a role instead of being given the greenlight to do whatever he wants when he chooses. See many players have been given the greenlight and abuse it with selfishness and bad decisions like Steve Francis, Marbury, Zach Randolph etc. Iggy has a decent basketball IQ and he is wise enough not to abuse his greenlight. Iggy is in complete position to score 45 points get 14 assists, 15 rebounds, 8 steals, 16 free throws 8 three pointers, etc. But he does none of that because he's not good enough in any area. He plays 40 minutes per night and he is the supposed "featured" player on this team. Andre Miller is picking up Iggy's slack. Andre Miller has NEVER scored this much in his life, but he HAS to because no one else on this team can be counted on to do so.

I have seen Andre Miller save the Sixers from getting blown out in the first half of so many times this season by being aggressive during a game where the Sixers came out EXTREMELY flat. He has saved us from a great deal of blowouts by checking the pulse of this team and saying "oh boy this on track to being one of those games" then he goes out and gets 10+ points in the first quarter all in the HALF COURT OFFENSE because none of the players on the Sixers BUT him can create his own shot with any consistency.

Agree with SendEm..



What is Iggy giving us this year? 19-5-5? Isn't that what he was giving us last year? Is 19-5-5 his ceiling already? You have to consider that he's most probably trying his BEST right now to show that he deserves the kind of money all-stars/franchise players are paid for, because of he is on his contract year.

And don't tell me that he isn't given the opportunity to showcase his talent in the league. Like SendEm, said prior to this post, he is CLEARLY given the "greenlight" status in this team to be this team's franchise player. Guys like Zach randolph, drops 20-10 stats per game with this kind of opportunity.

Is Iguodala just a utility player in a chip squad? With the amount of talent in this league, if you can't score efficiently in the half-court, you can't be an all-star player in this league.

What Iggy is asking is all-star type money. I just really don't think he deserves that.

And if you're saying that he deserves that kind of money because he has the potential to be the next "scottie pippen-paul pierce" player. Sorry, Mr.Iguodala, your time and opportunity has already run out.

[freshie2]

It will be interesting to see how this story plays out...amazing the degree of varying views on Iguodala. Somewhere between 'he's a $10+ million/year player' and 'he's no better than Jamario Moon' lies the truth.

No matter what happens this season, the offseason is where the long term fate of the franchise will be determined, and Ed's worth will be shown. How he deals with Iguodala and Williams, how he brings in the upper tier player that is felt to be a missing piece, how he manages the draft...all those things are very intriguing to me.

At this point, Iguodala is a key piece of a team that is outkicking the coverage...they aren't a championship team, but they are playing head and shoulders above what was expected. It's next to impossible for them to bring in that next piece via the draft, but how Ed addresses all of the pending issues this off season will be huge moving forward. My guess is that Iguodala's time and opportunity in this town will continue, but if not, a trade involving him will bring back some value in an area where Ed feels the team is lacking.

[dond]

It will be interesting to see how this story plays out...amazing the degree of varying views on Iguodala. Somewhere between 'he's a $10+ million/year player' and 'he's no better than Jamario Moon' lies the truth.

No matter what happens this season, the offseason is where the long term fate of the franchise will be determined, and Ed's worth will be shown. How he deals with Iguodala and Williams, how he brings in the upper tier player that is felt to be a missing piece, how he manages the draft...all those things are very intriguing to me.

At this point, Iguodala is a key piece of a team that is outkicking the coverage...they aren't a championship team, but they are playing head and shoulders above what was expected. It's next to impossible for them to bring in that next piece via the draft, but how Ed addresses all of the pending issues this off season will be huge moving forward. My guess is that Iguodala's time and opportunity in this town will continue, but if not, a trade involving him will bring back some value in an area where Ed feels the team is lacking.

This is my view exactly ! Just wait and see what happens. Igoudala is a good basketball player who will eventually find his way. Stefanski sees him every day and I will assume is formulating his impression of how he can best benefit the Sixers. If it is a player, I am fine with that ... I defer to his decision. If it is as a piece for a trade, I am fine with that also ... I defer to his decision. The decision on Igoudala is not a make or break situation ... either way, he will benefit the Sixers.

[dond]

SENDEM: You might find it interesting to look up RIGHT-FIGHTER on the internet (google it).

On second thought, this is important enough to provide a link.

http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Byler1.html

[noone]

Basically I think that most of you lack foresight and can't see how Iguodala wouldn't fit well on a team where he is expected to play a role instead of being given the greenlight to do whatever he wants when he chooses.

I don't know, did you somehow miss Andre's first two years in the league when he was playing with Iverson and Webber? 12/6/3 on 50% fg and 35% 3 pointers with great defense. And that was only his second year in the league before he improved his jump shot. I'm sure he'll be fine. Another full year with Iverson and Webber and I think he finishes the season with a 15 ppg average. In fact he was already averaging 13.6 ppg before Iverson was traded.

[SouthJersey]

I think that article is in respect to women. LOL.

[corwin]

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Give it up, bro! We all know Iggy can ball. Also, most people agree that he's better suited as a second or third option for a championship-contender.

I think most of us agree with these two statements. Seems like the disagreement is about how much Iggy is worth. All I know is that a team built on 3/4 guys making about 10 million apiece is easier to put together (& not pay the luxury tax) than one where you have a couple 20 million dollar guys. We've been through that. Hopefully, Iggy can sign this contract for an amount that similar players make & one that won't strangle the cap in the future.

[SendEm]

Basically I think that most of you lack foresight and can't see how Iguodala wouldn't fit well on a team where he is expected to play a role instead of being given the greenlight to do whatever he wants when he chooses.

I don't know, did you somehow miss Andre's first two years in the league when he was playing with Iverson and Webber? 12/6/3 on 50% fg and 35% 3 pointers with great defense. And that was only his second year in the league before he improved his jump shot. I'm sure he'll be fine. Another full year with Iverson and Webber and I think he finishes the season with a 15 ppg average. In fact he was already averaging 13.6 ppg before Iverson was traded.

No I didn't miss those seasons, but when I bring those seasons up they somehow "don't count" because Iggy was "playing with Iverson who destroys other players games" and "Iggy was timid and didn't have much offensive game." I believe that Iggy is a better player NOW than he was then, but those numbers that he averaged for those teams are what he would averaged for a REALLY good team plus maybe 3-4ppg. But these same Iggy fans even go as far as to say that Iggy would be EVEN BETTER than he is RIGHT NOW statistically if he were playing with better players taking the heat and the defensive focus off of himself. I say that's BS! If the Sixers had Dirk and Magette in addition to Miller,Iggy, and Sammy there is no way that Iggy scores over 19.7 points on that team even though I believe those two players compliment what Iggy does very well. So then you have a perimeter guy making $11.5 million per season scoring 16ppg with 4 assists?

That last part was hypothetical but I believe that things like this can be projected by looking at how Iggy scores most of his points. Most of his points are generated off of open floor finishes, half court pull up jumpers off of the dribble and jumpers off of screens. On a good team a perimeter player like himself would be looked on to score in the half court by driving to the hole and/or shoot spot up jumpers. Iggy is alot like Larry Hughes in the respect that his half court effectiveness is predicated upon him dribbling the basketball and having autonomy, he doesn't do well when required to be just a finisher like a Monta Ellis, Caron Butler, Josh Howard, etc.

[noone]

No I didn't miss those seasons, but when I bring those seasons up they somehow "don't count" because Iggy was "playing with Iverson who destroys other players games" and "Iggy was timid and didn't have much offensive game." I believe that Iggy is a better player NOW than he was then, but those numbers that he averaged for those teams are what he would averaged for a REALLY good team plus maybe 3-4ppg. But these same Iggy fans even go as far as to say that Iggy would be EVEN BETTER than he is RIGHT NOW statistically if he were playing with better players taking the heat and the defensive focus off of himself. I say that's BS! If the Sixers had Dirk and Magette in addition to Miller,Iggy, and Sammy there is no way that Iggy scores over 19.7 points on that team even though I believe those two players compliment what Iggy does very well. So then you have a perimeter guy making $11.5 million per season scoring 16ppg with 4 assists?

Ok, but what does any of that have to do with what I said or the piece I was responding to.

That last part was hypothetical but I believe that things like this can be projected by looking at how Iggy scores most of his points. Most of his points are generated off of open floor finishes, half court pull up jumpers off of the dribble and jumpers off of screens. On a good team a perimeter player like himself would be looked on to score in the half court by driving to the hole and/or shoot spot up jumpers.

First of all Andre is a better spot up shooter than he is shooting off the dribble. Nevertheless, why couldn't he do all of the stuff you said on a very good team with a couple players better than him? Running plays for him having him come off of screens for jumpers would make the offense even more dynamic wouldn't it? Being able to hit jumpers off the dribble would go to his credit wouldn't it, giving him a more all around offensive game? Good teams don't get out in the open floor? I don't see how that helps your case at all.

Iggy is alot like Larry Hughes in the respect that his half court effectiveness is predicated upon him dribbling the basketball and having autonomy

He scored 12 ppg on 50% shooting in his second season. Are you trying tell me that production was predicated on him having autonomy and dribbling the basketball? The fact that now he can actually do stuff off the dribble is to his credit. But to say he NEEDS the ball to be effective is completely false unless you think he's forgotten how to play the way he did in his first 2 seasons.