Jordan, LeBron or Kobe?

RoyHobbs · Post #41 » by **RoyHobbs** » Fri Mar 7, 2008 1:53 pm

Relative Autonomy wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
with that said, i think who is better the first three-peat bulls, the second three peat bulls, Kobe and Shaq's Lakers, or the Lebron's Cavs. Lebron's Cavs have no chance in hell so the conversation is really lakers v bulls

Those conversations are interesting, as well.

There are two incarnations of the 3-peat Bulls; I'd probably take the version with Rodman over the Horace Grant teams, if only because Rodman was a lock-down defender who could defend any player on the floor.

I think that team has problems with Shaq, but I think they at least slow him down enough to allow the Bulls to take that series. It would be close, though.

BobbySura · Post #42 » by **BobbySura** » Fri Mar 7, 2008 2:07 pm

jordan>kobe>>>lebron

honestly, i don't see lebron as anything more than stats right now. he still has yet to show me that he's a superstar. great player, yeah. but he's still lacking the intensity and drive that kobe and jordan have.

RoyHobbs · Post #43 » by **RoyHobbs** » Fri Mar 7, 2008 4:21 pm

BobbySura wrote:jordan>kobe>>>lebron

honestly, i don't see lebron as anything more than stats right now. he still has yet to show me that he's a superstar. great player, yeah. but he's still lacking the intensity and drive that kobe and jordan have.

What's your definition of superstar? Lebron has carried his team in the playoffs, made it to the Finals, and dominated in the fourth quarter, putting his team on his back.

I think there's room to disagree about who is better between Kobe and Lebron, but I'd say both are superstars.

kghatestolose · Post #44 » by **kghatestolose** » Fri Mar 7, 2008 4:30 pm

You're all a bunch of LeBron nutriders. The 90s lacked stiff competition? What the hell are you talking about? Hakeem Olajuwan's Rockets, Patrick Ewings Knicks, Shaqs Magic, Tim Duncans spurs...I could go on and on.

Awesome - I totally agree. The 90's lacked stiff competition... compared to what, the East last year vs. Lebron ? ha ah ha. Come on...get REAL.

Don't forget the Utah Jazz in the heydays of the Stockton/Malone Power . Jordan put the dagger into them so many times I felt bad for the Mailman.

I say Jordan one hundred times over based on overall success to date.. And this is coming from someone who despised Jordan in his prime (mainly for what he did to the celtics on repeated occasions). Plus people overlook what an awesome defender he was and totally unwilling to lose.

Who knows Lebron may out pace Jordan - but I don't think Kobe will. Don't get me wrong, I feel Kobe is the greatest pure scorer ever... but I don't think his talents rank with Jordan on an all around game basis.

Kobe won with Shaq, Jordan won with Bill Cartwright - that alone says enough to me.

kghatestolose · Post #45 » by **kghatestolose** » Fri Mar 7, 2008 4:37 pm

Sorry - I left out one major point.

Bulls had the best record of ALL Time. Oh yes and the SECOND best record of all time

1991-92 Jordans bulls went 67 and 15... went on to win the championship.

Jordan then too a few years off, something most players can hardly do for a season.

They then went 72-10... 1995-96 Won 87 of 100 games including the PLAYOFFS.

So if the ultimate star is W's vs L's. Lebron is barely keeping his team above .500 - so no comparision. At least Kobe this year can compare. But in either case Jordan overall for sure

threrf23 · Post #46 » by **threrf23** » Fri Mar 7, 2008 6:18 pm

RoyHobbs wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Do we judge rookies who spent four years in college as the equivalent of four year pros who came straight out of high school, just because they're the same age?

Does it matter if we do? The question is, should we? Anyways, I completely do, btw.

Did Lebron's decision to skip college take years off of his career? No.

jfs1000d · Post #47 » by **jfs1000d** » Fri Mar 7, 2008 8:03 pm

BrokenLeftyJumper wrote:Kobe vs. Jordan - Kobe has clearly played with a better supporting cast earlier in his career. But Kobe at 29, has more championships than Jordan did at 29. And Kobe has a shot at a title this year as well. As far as being the best player in the league, I think its a tough comparison to make because Jordan never had a Lebron type player to challenge his superiority.

Lebron vs. Jordan - Lebron is clearly better at 23 than Jordan was at 23. Jordan was awesome, but Lebron just has no bounds to how good he can be. He's already either the best or second best player (behind Kobe) in the league. He's gonna need to win some championships, but I have a very hard time seeing him not winning some chips in the near future as long as he gets some more talent around him.

We all assume that LeBron is going to get tangibly better. I don't think he can get any better.

Maybe smarter, but what exactly is he supposed to get better at? Maybe a little better shooter as he goes along, but that will happen when his explosiveness decreases. Jordan was a little more dominant at his best than LeBron. Jordan is better than Kobe because Jordan won without a Shaq.

LeBron isn't even top 15 in NBA history right now. Surely on his way, but how can you ay he is a better player than magic or Bird?

Cliff Levingston · Post #48 » by **Cliff Levingston** » Fri Mar 7, 2008 8:20 pm

People forget how quick Jordan was. At 6'6", he was damn near as quick as Allen Iverson with a downright lethal first step. Neither Kobe or LeBron really come close to having MJ's first step, which is what made him such a deadly scorer (and of course his uncanny finishing ability, but you've got to be able to get there first).

SashAlex · Post #49 » by **SashAlex** » Fri Mar 7, 2008 10:56 pm

I'd take Kwame Brown ! Sorry !

Why not KG in his prime ? KG is better than Jordan ! He's great ! He can do it all ! His defense is sick ! He's the most complete player in the NBA ! He's all heart and devotion !

Too bad that even Celtics fans underrate KG ! And too bad that he's playing for Celtics !

RoyHobbs · Post #50 » by **RoyHobbs** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 12:42 am

SashAlex wrote:I'd take Kwame Brown ! Sorry !

Why not KG in his prime ? KG is better than Jordan ! He's great ! He can do it all ! His defense is sick ! He's the most complete player in the NBA ! He's all heart and devotion !

Too bad that even Celtics fans underrate KG ! And too bad that he's playing for Celtics !

Off topic, but isn't Pau Gasol's name spelled incorrectly in your sig?

To respond to your point, I think the comparison is being made being MJ, Kobe, and Lebron is because they're all superstar wings who are considered by many to be among the best players of all time. Their games are all fairly similar, while KG's is different. On the same level, but different.

keltickings · Post #51 » by **keltickings** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 4:31 am

RoyHobbs wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Off topic, but isn't Pau Gasol's name spelled incorrectly in your sig?

To respond to your point, I think the comparison is being made being MJ, Kobe, and Lebron is because they're all superstar wings who are considered by many to be among the best players of all time. Their games are all fairly similar, while KG's is different. On the same level, but different.

Well said.

When did answering the question posed in this post translate into Celtic fans not appreciating KG. Interesting. I like Paul Gasol and Androow Bynumb too.

Fencer reregistered · Post #52 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 5:30 am

Despite his very famous rookie season all-five-positions Finals game, Magic was not a reliable shooter early in his career, especially in clutch situations. The junior-junior skyhook after McHale missed a FT rebound (he was shoved) was a very regrettable (from our standpoint) exception up to that point in his career.

Lebron getting shut down a bit by the Spurs is not the end.

When the Pistons, Celtics, Spurs, Suns, and Mavs age, there's an excellent chance that we'll see a few years of Portland/Lebron dominance, wherever Lebron ends up.

SashAlex · Post #53 » by **SashAlex** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 5:43 am

RoyHobbs wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Off topic, but isn't Pau Gasol's name spelled incorrectly in your sig?

To respond to your point, I think the comparison is being made being MJ, Kobe, and Lebron is because they're all superstar wings who are considered by many to be among the best players of all time. Their games are all fairly similar, while KG's is different. On the same level, but different.

His full name is Paul, and you, those from USA always shorten the names ! :lol:

Garnett can play as a wing too...Magic was way better than MJ.

Post #54 » by **Spin Move** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 9:13 am

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His full name is Paul, and you, those from USA always shorten the names !

Garnett can play as a wing too...Magic was way better than MJ.

I hope your kidding on the name, but if not..no its really not his name is in a different language its not Paul its pau, he is spanish, if it were the equivalent of Paul, it would be Paulo. Pau is actually the name of a place in Catalonia Spain.

Yo vivo dos horas norte de mexico y nunca oi hablar alguien con un nombre en espa

SashAlex · Post #55 » by **SashAlex** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 11:26 am

Spin Move wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I hope your kidding on the name, but if not..no its really not his name is in a different language its not Paul its pau, he is spanish, if it were the equivalent of Paul, it would be Paulo. Pau is actually the name of a place in Catalonia Spain.

Yo vivo dos horas norte de mexico y nunca oi hablar alguien con un nombre en espa