CF NEWS 13: Redick Bides Time On Bench For Magic

spinedoc · Post #81 » by **spinedoc** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 2:30 pm

CourtsideTV wrote:wow..we fight about everything on the internet message boards.

Thats right, do you want to fight about it? haha, j/k.

Post #82 » by **craig01** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 2:32 pm

So, spinedoc= less than smart opinion

And, maginno= smartass opinion

LOL.

I'm still learning.................

Just kidding ya'll.

magicmamma · Post #83 » by **magicmamma** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 3:53 pm

I'm not sure JJ is doing all that much complaining. There was a series of at least four articles that were all independently discussed here that clearly (from the quotations) originated from one interview. SVG has said that the one question he gets more than all others is, "Why won't you play JJ?" He is answering this question over and over, and you know he doesn't want to. You can be sure that JJ has a reporter on him at least once a week asking questions that are designed to get him to say something controversial, and that they pick what he says out of context to make it as controversial as possible. His only alternative is, "No comment," and they certainly can make a story about JJ being so frustrated that he is refusing to talk about it.

mhectorgato · Post #84 » by **mhectorgato** » Sat Mar 8, 2008 5:49 pm

spinedoc wrote:This is a pretty good example of what I'm talking about Mags. Are you trying to be offensive, or does it just happen that way naturally? A little less condescending would be nice.

craig01 wrote:And, maginno= smartass opinion

These are not the first posts, nor the sole posters, with these sentiments.

What I don't understand is that you decry Otis' lack of professionalism and class - on the verge of picking his nose on national TV and all - and yet repeatedly people have commented on the tenor of many of your posts with hardly a change in style.

So many times you play the "if you could read" or "my ability to reason is superior that your" type of card. The points you make would be so much more accepted by the recipient - assuming that's the intent and desire.

Why do you try to hold Otis to a higher standard than you do yourself?
*yes I know Otis is a paid representative of the Magic and this a message board on the internet, but imo the point is still applicable*

Additionally, I'm confused about why your lobbying so for JJ to get minutes and play. Also you discuss with fuz how he can fit in the NBA, not just with us perhaps. But in countless other posts, you bust on Otis' drafting ability and that, iirc, JJ is a bust.

Perhaps you just enjoy the debate - and I'm that way to an extent - which is fine, as long as your modus operandi is out in the open.

fuz · Post #85 » by **fuz** » Sun Mar 9, 2008 2:54 pm

maginno wrote: Sorry stating you have an opinion doesn't let you off the hook in an intelligent conversation. I am also entitled to question it and to point out its logical shortcomings and will continue do so.

Your point is illogical. Plenty of college players find themselves not cracking the rotation in their early years. Its part of the process and does nothing to show they are out of their element in the NBA. You made a claim that has no logical basis. Every year there are players that move to a different team that do worse or better. Some teams had little use for them and the new team has plenty. A close example would be Ariza who couldn't get minutes here but was doing plenty over in LA before being injured. extrapolating from Stan's use of Ariza you would come to the conclusion that He is a bust but gathering from no doubt a future hall of fame coach in LA you would get the exact opposite.

The reality for those who actually care about the facts over their own opinion is that Stan has said JJ's specialty (offense) is not needed on this team because it already has outside shooters and already has a weakness on defense. It therefore says nothing for the NBA teams that do not have that talent already on their roster or who at least have a good defending PG.

So no as JJ 's experience with the Magic goes so does not the whole NBA it make. You are in ZERO position to claim that he would be out of his element in both the NBA and the Magic because there is zero reality to differentiate the two. He's only played for the Magic and only limited minutes. When he does play for another team or gets major minute here you will be in better position to make such an argument but for right now it is hollow be it your opinion or not.

People think that if they state "its just my opinion" that absolves them from making sense. it doesn't.

Logic

n.

1. The study of the principles of reasoning, especially of the structure of propositions as distinguished from their content and of method and validity in deductive reasoning.

According to my reasoning, there in fact is validity in my logic. I have reasoned that JJ is out of his element due to his inability to play on the level required to play in the NBA (or at least for the Magic... his only tenure thus far). If he wasn't, he'd have played decent minutes by now. (Pretty damn logical quantitatively, if you ask me.) It is therefore quite logical to hypothesize that he might be out of his element. Adding my statement of it being my opinion only further opens up my willingness to be flexible on this assessment. Can he grow into the role? It is entirely possible.

You don't understand the science and the rationale behind making a fair analysis of players, so you become aggressive and demeaning because that is the only form of debate you understand. Comprehend this maginno. Many, many more people read these forums daily to get the pulse of the basketball community, then do who post. You make a fool out of yourself to droves more than you can possibly think.

MagicalMan · Post #86 » by **MagicalMan** » Sun Mar 9, 2008 3:01 pm

CourtsideTV wrote:wow..we fight about everything on the internet message boards.

no, theres about two posters here that make everything a fight on this board.

maginno · Post #87 » by **maginno** » Sun Mar 9, 2008 5:08 pm

I have reasoned that JJ is out of his element due to his inability to play on the level required to play in the NBA (or at least for the Magic... his only tenure thus far).

exactly so you do see where your claiming proof that JJ is out of his element in the NBA in addition to the Magic is a nonsense statement without proper evidence. You just don't want to admit it.

If he wasn't, he'd have played decent minutes by now. (Pretty damn logical quantitatively, if you ask me.) It is therefore quite logical to hypothesize that he might be out of his element.

It would be quite logical to "hypothesize" that he is out of his element on the Magic especially given the reasons Stan has stated (already having the offense JJ would provide and a need for more defense on a defensively weak lineup at guard). For the third or fourth time since you STILL do not get it the illogical argument is that JJ is out of his element in the NBA based upon one team not needing his services.

Really if you are going to call my attention to the possibility of making a fool of myself you should take more care not to do the same for yourself . There is no science or rationale in extrapolating across the NBA based on the single experience JJ has had with the Magic. That is what is clearly illogical.

JJ cannot find time on a team that already has weak defensive guards and already has three point shooting - his specialty. That hardly defines the whole NBA and claiming it does is what JJ haters do - bash him because he's a young player on a team that already has his specialty on the floor.

Had we not had good three point shooters and weak defense in general and specifically at the PG spot then the consensus of many is that he would have seen more time. Since many teams in the NBA do not have that team makeup it isn't rational to say theres any proof that he his out of his element in the NBA in general. Its nonsense until you have more proof.

mhectorgato · Post #88 » by **mhectorgato** » Sun Mar 9, 2008 5:56 pm

maginno wrote:Since many teams in the NBA do not have that team makeup it isn't rational to say theres any proof that he his out of his element in the NBA in general. Its nonsense until you have more proof.

So Otis' draft pick isn't a bust then?

Since there's no proof he can't play well enough, the argument could be made that Otis picked the BPA (I really don't remember who was picked afterwards) and he didn't fit our team.

When the pick was made, Otis wasn't the coach and we hadn't signed Rashard (also a pre-eminent 3 point/outside threat) yet.

maginno · Post #89 » by **maginno** » Sun Mar 9, 2008 6:10 pm

mhectorgato wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

So Otis' draft pick isn't a bust then?

Hey Gato, You sound surprised? Did you miss where I said that Otis could redeem the situation by finding a way for JJ to get a little burn? My frustration with not moving JJ at the deadline was because he's glued to the bench by Stan anyways.

Otis gets a solid PF, JJ gets a little playing time and pans out I will upgrade my Otis love to C+. Another draft pick that walks for nothing or near nothing then its fireotis.com time.

fuz · Post #90 » by **fuz** » Sun Mar 9, 2008 7:25 pm

maginno wrote:...junk maginno wrote that is intended to instigate a conflict, yet makes no sense whatsoever

You obviously have some issues. I'm out. There's no such thing as an intelligent discussion with you.

mhectorgato · Post #91 » by **mhectorgato** » Sun Mar 9, 2008 7:34 pm

maginno wrote:Hey Gato, You sound surprised? Did you miss where I said that Otis could redeem the situation by finding a way for JJ to get a little burn? My frustration with not moving JJ at the deadline was because he's glued to the bench by Stan anyways.

Otis gets a solid PF, JJ gets a little playing time and pans out I will upgrade my Otis love to C+. Another draft pick that walks for nothing or near nothing then its fireotis.com time.

At the same time you've labeled JJ a bust and said that you don't have much confidence in Otis' ability to draft - iirc this was a good portion of this was expressed just recently in the Otis bash thread. Therein I believe you said that you don't have confidence in his ability to draft this upcoming off-season due the fact that he has such a bad track record in this respect.

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic. ... &start=134

maginno wrote:Frankly I'd even forgive a bad draft history if he had a better resume as a GM.

It just seems like you've gone both ways in this discussion - and not in the way of "I've reconsidered my stance".

mhectorgato · Post #92 » by **mhectorgato** » Sun Mar 9, 2008 10:35 pm

fuz wrote:You obviously have some issues. I'm out. There's no such thing as an intelligent discussion with you.

I'm with you.

BassMaster · Post #93 » by **BassMaster** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:48 am

I think this answers all of your questions for now and it's from JJ Redick and his latest blog.

In basketball news, we are actually having a tremendous season. While my playing time is not what I want it to be, it

mhectorgato · Post #94 » by **mhectorgato** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:55 am

cougar13 wrote:I think this answers all of your questions for now and it's from JJ Redick and his latest blog.

In basketball news, we are actually having a tremendous season. While my playing time is not what I want it to be, it

NEM wrote: However, I'm a fan of my team winning so, keep the winning coming. All the "tank" fans can take their crap to another board. We are here to win.