Dwayne "Flash" Wade vs Anfernee "Penny"

TheKingOfVa360 · Post #61 » by **TheKingOfVa360** » Sun Mar 9, 2008 3:41 pm

CB4MiamiHeat wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Thats why when i compared them as scorers, I didnt compare 27ppg vs. 21ppg but more where they ranked in the league at the time.
Wade has been top 5 in the league scoring for 3 straight years where as Penny has never cracked the top 10.

Ok I totally understand. You also have to understand Penny was a PG, his job wasn't score but he could have easily put up 27 ppg because he was close to a .500 shooter in his prime.

technologic · Post #62 » by **technologic** » Sun Mar 9, 2008 4:03 pm

TheKingOfVa360 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Ok I totally understand. You also have to understand Penny was a PG, his job wasn't score but he could have easily put up 27 ppg because he was close to a .500 shooter in his prime.

So stats, playoff success, and intangibles all go in Wade's favor...

but Penny looked cool.

gavran · Post #63 » by **gavran** » Sun Mar 9, 2008 4:11 pm

CB4MiamiHeat wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

If Wade had those players hed probably be even more efficient and have more assists ..yet his efficiency and assists remains the same as Pennys despite having less scorers and having to take more shots.

Actually, it's the other way around.....if Wade had as good teammates and players as Scott, Anderson and Grant he wouldn't dominate the ball as much (if you have a team with Walker and Williams, you have to dominate the ball so those jerks don't f*** up every second time), and since Penny's teammates were above average passers themselves, it would be harder to get those assists. Wade creates offense by attacking the rim, but he doesn't feed the post as well al Penny did (you could clearly see it this year, when Penny was the only player who knew how and when to pass the ball to the big fella), and if your game plan is to dump the ball inside, and wait for your center to do something, you usually don't get as many assists.

If the Heat had a duo of Wade and a prime Shaq they would be a force to be reckoned with for years to come Imagine a Shaq who not only draws double teams but also puts up 30 points with ease. He wouldn't just be a decoy but an unstoppable offensive beast.

Wade would be the 3rd option next to prime Shaq, who was option #1 and #2 back in the day, so Wade wouldn't score as much, especially considering the fact he's close to useless from behind the arc. His driving game suited old Shaq (who was the 2nd option next to Wade), but if you want you have to sacrifice your scoring if you're playing with young Shaq (like Penny did). Or if you have too big ego to defer yourself, you have to develop an incredible and all-around offensive game (like Kobe did).

CB4MiamiHeat · Post #64 » by **CB4MiamiHeat** » Sun Mar 9, 2008 4:41 pm

Yea Penny is an expert at finding angles to dump it in to Shaq..he really gave Shaq some easy baskets this season.

PHX should consider signing him..im serious..lol

Post #65 » by **Flash3** » Sun Mar 9, 2008 4:57 pm

TheKingOfVa360 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Ok I totally understand. You also have to understand Penny was a PG, his job wasn't score but he could have easily put up 27 ppg because he was close to a .500 shooter in his prime.

But, Wade was Miami's facilitator of the offense, no matter if we had Williams on the floor or not. Wade facilitated Miami's offense and scored at a very high rate.

Though, even after all his injuries and what not, and seeing him play here early in the season, his smarts still have yet to leave him; Penny. -- He made the best of entry passes into Shaq, and at the right time/place. Passing was ALWAYS one of Penny's greatest strengths.

Cevap · Post #66 » by **Cevap** » Sun Mar 9, 2008 7:14 pm

whoever doesn't say that penny had a historic series against the heat is trippin. He facialized miami by himself in the last three games. In their prime Zo, PJ Brown, Tim Hardaway, Jammal Mashburn, Voshon Lenard. Best defensive team that year. Penny had Seikley, a shell shocked Nick Anderson, derek strong, dennis scott. plus some no name coach vs. Pat Riley.

Not saying penny was better then wade, but he was a beast that series.

Colossus · Post #67 » by **Colossus** » Sun Mar 9, 2008 11:14 pm

Penny Hardaway in his prime was such a joy to watch. His 2nd and 3rd years in the league he was a special player, what a talent. His All NBA First Team's were well deserved those two years.

For some reason to me it seems Wade's game is based all around getting to the free throw line, I understand he can do it "at will" and he doesn't have the height Penny did, but the way Penny would use his size and smoothness against other guards was something else.

Makes me wonder if things would have been different if doctors then knew what they did today on how to handle severe knee injuries.

Post #68 » by **Flash3** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:08 pm

Makes me wonder if things would have been different if doctors then knew what they did today on how to handle severe knee injuries.

What exactly did they do wrong, per se?

dingclancy · Post #69 » by **dingclancy** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:56 pm

I think Penny was set-up to defeat Jordan's Bulls that year they went to the Finals. I know he owned Pippen that series. That says a lot considering it was the only series loss since Jordan won his first

gavran · Post #70 » by **gavran** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:45 pm

Flash3 wrote:
Makes me wonder if things would have been different if doctors then knew what they did today on how to handle severe knee injuries.
What exactly did they do wrong, per se?

Performing a micro-fracture-like surgery on him in 1997, without telling him the actual details (in an interwiev Penny said that the doctors told him there's a new procedure, and he told the doctors to do anything to make that knee feel better <according to him, he was the first professional athlete to undergo that surgery>). Then of course it didn't really help, so he had to take another one (which was a full micro-fracture), and he was told that the healing time is 6 to 8 weeks.....well as it turned out is closer to 6 or 8 month. That was in 2000, and he had to take another surgery in 2006, because there was a bone spur in his left knee.....noone noticed it for 6 whole years and he couldn't play because of the constant pain....so basically he was experimented on, and was f**ked. He had 6 surgeries on the same knee.

Post #71 » by **Flash3** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:48 pm

gavran wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Performing a micro-fracture-like surgery on him in 1997, without telling him the actual details (in an interwiev Penny said that the doctors told him there's a new procedure, and he told the doctors to do anything to make that knee feel better <he was the first professional athlete to undergo thet surgery>). Then of course it didn't really help, so he had to take another one (which was a full micro-fracture), and he was told that the healing time is 6 to 8 weeks.....well as it turned out is closer to 6 or 8 month. That was in 2000, and he had to take another surgery in 2006, because there was a bone spur in his left knee.....noone noticed it for 6 whole years and he couldn't play because of the constant pain....so basically he was experimented on, and was f**ked.

Wow, I didn't realize that Penny was the 1st to be operated on with the micro-fracture procedure. I would've thought, given the way sports has progressed the past 20 years or so, it would've already been en masse.

Truly sad.