CV's Trade Value Rising?

[msiris]

when did cv quit on the team?

when he was getting 14 minutes a game? i'd say the team quit on him until they needed him when yi went down

But the effort was not there. You could see it. He sat at the 3 point line. And no defensive effort.

[midranger]

That doesn't change that Bogut was a slug today.

CV is playing well as of late, but I don't think I'd jump at committing to him long term. I think he'd be best playing with Rudy Gay in Memphis.

[raferfenix]

wah wah wah---it took a player who wasn't even trying 2 months to get a starting spot by default! Now that's a guy i want to commit our team to, especially over a guy who added $60 million to the franchise's value and had at least a few monhts of solid defensive play.

What other team would CV be able to completely dog it for almost the entire seaosn and then get a STARTING SPOT? It's all jsut a function of how screwed up our team is, and I hope that his value rises enough to amke it worth bailing on him.

[jerrod]

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But the effort was not there. You could see it. He sat at the 3 point line. And no defensive effort.

when he's getting 14 minutes a game and the player ahead of him is trash, it's a little hard to blame him


of course he should have given 100% effort all the time, everyone should, but when you look at the situation it's hard to blame him

[europa]

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when he's getting 14 minutes a game and the player ahead of him is trash, it's a little hard to blame him

I disagree. There's no excuse for a lack of effort. None. Villanueva's effort was pathetic for most of the season and that's one of the reasons why he was behind Yi on the depth chart. He had no one to blame but himself for that. To his credit, he's playing better since becoming a starter for the most part and it sounds like he played another good game today. He deserves credit for both.

But the "woe is me" BS for Villanueva is just that. BS. If he worked hard when camp opened and when the season began maybe it wouldn't have taken so long for his minutes to go up and for him to get a starting job.

[jerrod]

maybe, or maybe yi was gonna be the starter no matter what and he knew that

he's in a bad situation, the organization wants this other player to play even if he's not playing anywhere near as well. that would be hard to deal with, it's like the opposite situation bogut's in

[europa]

I agree he's in a bad situation. He has no future with this team and I think he's smart enough to realize that. Complete agreement on all counts. But I think he got the minutes he deserved. If he wanted more, he should've tried harder and played better.

[jerrod]

I agree he's in a bad situation. He has no future with this team and I think he's smart enough to realize that. Complete agreement on all counts. But I think he got the minutes he deserved. If he wanted more, he should've tried harder and played better.

that's the whole thing though, there's more to it than just that in this situation

[europa]

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that's the whole thing though, there's more to it than just that in this situation

I'm not denying there are other issues involved here. I'm saying none of that in my opinion excuses Villanueva from playing like crap and giving piss poor effort most of the time before becoming a starter. I give him credit for playing much better since becoming a starter and it sounds like he played hard today. I'll credit him for that as well if it was the case. But I'm not going to sit here and feel sorry for the guy for not getting more minutes for most of the season when, in my opinion, he didn't do anything to deserve them.

[raferfenix]

maybe, or maybe yi was gonna be the starter no matter what and he knew that

he's in a bad situation, the organization wants this other player to play even if he's not playing anywhere near as well. that would be hard to deal with, it's like the opposite situation bogut's in

This is certainly part of CV's uninspired play---though of course, he has had similar situations in Toronto, in college, and even in high school.

However, I agree with you larger point that this is a horrible situation for him. If he were on a veteran laden team I think he'd give much more consistnet effort and could be a major contributor. However, that's the opposite of our situation, and I think we should reach a consensus that we can only hope his value rises enough so it's worth trading him despite Kohl's man crush.

[msiris]

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This is certainly part of CV's uninspired play---though of course, he has had similar situations in Toronto, in college, and even in high school.

However, I agree with you larger point that this is a horrible situation for him. If he were on a veteran laden team I think he'd give much more consistnet effort and could be a major contributor. However, that's the opposite of our situation, and I think we should reach a consensus that we can only hope his value rises enough so it's worth trading him despite Kohl's man crush.

Agreed. CV is not a starting PF on a 50 win team. Pretty simple.

[Rockmaninoff]

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Agreed. CV is not a starting PF on a 50 win team. Pretty simple.

He would be on the 76ers.

[Raptors90102]

The hate CV gets around here is ridiculous. People are questioning his desire when he was coming off the bench. Well, he had back from a major injury. Instead of the team standing by him and giving him some time to get back in the groove by giving him a chance at starting, they chose to give the starting spot on a silver platter to Yi. Promise or not, Yi shouldn't have gotten the starting spot just cuz CV wasn't playing well in the camp or the preseason games, it takes a little while to get back to playing form after one has been out with an injury.. Then, on the nights CV would be busting his ass off the bench, Larry K would still play him 14-16 mins and bench him for the rest of the game. I'd be pissed too if I wasn't being given a fair chance and when I made the effort, I wouldn't be rewarded for it. First he feels unwanted cuz they drafted a player who would bring big marketing bucks in, and then they hand him the starting spot without even giving CV the benefit of the doubt and trying him out at the starter's spot for a bit and see how it works out. Yi did well initially when the defences didn't know what the guy was all about, but once they figured out that all he does is basically shoot that 19-21 footer J, they knew how to take him out of the game and Yi, being a rookie, didn't have a clue how to adjust to it. Even then they ride for 2 straight months where CV was being very active off the bench and still wasn't being rewarded for hardwork. So, why in the world would anyone be interested in playing hard knowing very well that they just don't care. It took an injury to Yi for the team to give charlie the starting spot and he took the opportunity and played hard. Just as he was settling into his starting role, the team reverted to the old guard-heavy stotts offence where the bigs just basically pick their spots without plays being actually run for them. He and Bogut both struggled and here we are now..

Had Larry K and company set their ego's aside and started CV since January, things would have been a whole lot different.

People talk about Yi and his defence. I agree his offensive game was almost gone as soon as he hit the supposed rookie wall (which usually doesn't start until the allstar break but for him, started in late december, early January). But his defence should have stayed the way it was supposed to be. But no, he started getting abused on that end as well, why? cuz offenses figured him out and he isn't that smart (atleast yet) to adjust to the offensive player..

The bling love for Yi and the blind hate for CV is just plain ridiculous even though Yi hasn't shown much so far except for his jumpshot and CV hasn't done as bad as people make it out to be..

As for his fit with this team, neither CV nor Bout are right for this team as they cannot play complimentary bigs who just watch their guards take jumpshots after jumpshots. They need to be made an important part of the offense and need plays ran for them.. as long as Mo and Redd are around, the Bucks need players like David Lee and Samuel Dalembert who just collect garbage basket and make hustle plays.. offensive minded bigs would never fit with the two guards hogging the ball on this team..

[Nowak008]

Does anyone know what the deal between CV and LK is? Apparently they got into it last year. It would sure help explain what happened at the beginning of the year.

[Ruzious]

I think CV for Kyle Lowry is a good deal all-around.

I do think that we lose from a talent stand point, but probably win from a fit/chemistry standpoint.

Perhaps they could toss in a 2nd.

I'd do it even up. I love the way Lowry plays, and we'd have a legit ball-hawk defender. Granted, opponents will shoot over him, but he will create havoc with his defense. He's a unique little player - great rebounder for his size and a 1 one man fast break.

Villa gets reunited with Gay. They were a successful combo at UConn.

[europa]

I proposed Villanueva/2008 second for Lowry/Warrick a while back. I'd still make that offer to Memphis.

[CBUCK06]

I proposed Villanueva/2008 second for Lowry/Warrick a while back. I'd still make that offer to Memphis.

Remove the 2008 2nd rounder and that's a deal!

[Johnny Newman]

I proposed Villanueva/2008 second for Lowry/Warrick a while back. I'd still make that offer to Memphis.

Is the Simmons for Artest still on the table? Or how about the Mo,Magloire for Boozer? Heck I even settle for that doozy Gadz for Kenny Thomas deal. Right now Yi and crap for Marion would be ok too. Better then the poop deck this season.