If you were GM, would you trade Shard after 1 season?

[mhectorgato]

Gilbert Arenas could be ours for the right price though.

Do you think that Gilbert Grape will be asking for anything less than max?

[Bucs80]

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Do you think that Gilbert Grape will be asking for anything less than max?

He said he would take the max or he would go mid-level if he wants to win a championship.

[mhectorgato]

He said he would take the max or he would go mid-level if he wants to win a championship.

Does Arenas + MoE + Hedo + Lewis + Dwight = championship?

[TheRevTy]

Arenas might consider Orlando for the following reasons:

He and Otis were, and remain, incredibly close from Otis's stint in Golden State. Otis actually served as Gilbert's mentor his rookie year.

Arenas loves to have fun while playing the game, and he has to get along with his teammates in order to thrive. Orlando is a prime opportunity for this. (Incidentally, I think he has run his course in Washington. In his absence, the mentality of the team has changed from a happy-go-lucky team to a "get down to work, no non-sense" team, led by Caron Butler. Gilbert has to see this.)

2 words: Super. Man.

Arenas would no doubt relish the opportunity to play the KG role: superstar that comes in and pushes a team over the top. He would be revered and with the combination of Dwight and Arenas, two young media-friendly superstars, he would get maximum exposure.

Finally, he would work well on the team because Stan would finally get the chance to coach Dwyane and Shaq, only better. (Remember, Stan played Dwyane primarily as PG.)

How could Gilbert be added? I think the conversation has to involve Hedo Turkoglu. Washington already has a pretty stellar SF in Butler, so I don't know. But I think Otis would strongly consider making a hard push for Agent Zero.

[parso15]

Arenas might consider Orlando for the following reasons:

He and Otis were, and remain, incredibly close from Otis's stint in Golden State. Otis actually served as Gilbert's mentor his rookie year.

Arenas loves to have fun while playing the game, and he has to get along with his teammates in order to thrive. Orlando is a prime opportunity for this. (Incidentally, I think he has run his course in Washington. In his absence, the mentality of the team has changed from a happy-go-lucky team to a "get down to work, no non-sense" team, led by Caron Butler. Gilbert has to see this.)

2 words: Super. Man.

Arenas would no doubt relish the opportunity to play the KG role: superstar that comes in and pushes a team over the top. He would be revered and with the combination of Dwight and Arenas, two young media-friendly superstars, he would get maximum exposure.

Finally, he would work well on the team because Stan would finally get the chance to coach Dwyane and Shaq, only better. (Remember, Stan played Dwyane primarily as PG.)

How could Gilbert be added? I think the conversation has to involve Hedo Turkoglu. Washington already has a pretty stellar SF in Butler, so I don't know. But I think Otis would strongly consider making a hard push for Agent Zero.

Probably a three way deal with another team but I think that Arenas would not fit not in very well... don't forget although Arenas is a better player compared to Hedo he is a shoot first kind of guy who will do miracles but who also can loose a game in a hurry. Hedo is looking to get Dwight & others involved for 3 periods at least.

[MagicNolesFSU]

Agent 0 is getting the max....dont kid yourselves.

[Cammo101]

If Arenas will play for the max then we could keep Shard and sign him. But that is fantasy.

[richboy]

I've said before its a cope out IMO.

I would assume since you said it, it is "your opinion" and what the hell is a "cope out"?

You have posted nearly the exact same thing over 100 times in the past 3 months. You should just copy and paste. 40-23 and you never, ever have anything to say about anything other than your dislike for Rashard.

Cassie or Richboy or whomever else you post as - can you please just shut up or come up with something original to say? And do not go into your 3rd grader defense about how important you are because I am posting in response to your garbage. It is simply a matter of enjoying this board and some of the threads a whole lot more when there isn't some clown interjecting the same crap in EVERY damn thread.

Actually, I take that back. Occasionally you do like to talk about how the Magic's wins are meaningless due to the competition....errr....well...only when the competition is bad. You never say a word when we beat a good team.

Cassie = Troll.

You know there is a ignore button you can press. Your consistent complaining about my post is becoming laughable. Just like Mr. Mhec. Its like if you don't want to listen then press the button. Yet here you are again every few weeks crying about my post. My only reasoning is there a reason why you two wont press the ignore button. Well when you know what that reason is then tell me. Until then stop the constant crying about my or anyones post.

[mhectorgato]

You know there is a ignore button you can press. Your consistent complaining about my post is becoming laughable. Just like Mr. Mhec. Its like if you don't want to listen then press the button. Yet here you are again every few weeks crying about my post. My only reasoning is there a reason why you two wont press the ignore button. Well when you know what that reason is then tell me. Until then stop the constant crying about my or anyones post.

I think you should stop complaining about people complaining about you. Perhaps you should use the ignore button.

Unless you just crave the attention ...

[richboy]

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I think you should stop complaining about people complaining about you. Perhaps you should use the ignore button.

Unless you just crave the attention ...

I press ignore and then you still complain I just dont reply. You still hijack the thread. You press ignore there nothing to complain about. You don't read the post and there no going off topic to make post like this.

I have no problem discussing issues with you and fishy. Obviously fishy and perhaps yourself have issues the other way. Instead of posting on topic were talking about if richboy is negative. If your going to consistently hijack threads with that topic then at some point just press the ignore.

[mhectorgato]

I press ignore and then you still complain I just dont reply. You still hijack the thread. You press ignore there nothing to complain about. You don't read the post and there no going off topic to make post like this.

I have no problem discussing issues with you and fishy. Obviously fishy and perhaps yourself have issues the other way. Instead of posting on topic were talking about if richboy is negative. If your going to consistently hijack threads with that topic then at some point just press the ignore.

Me and you are cool. However I've got a bone to pick with Cassie.

[TheRevTy]

Oh, and my final, and weakest, point, though I feel it deserves mentioning: if there ever was a superstar who actually WOULD take a pay cut in the middle of his prime to play for a better, funner (more fun?) team, it would be Mr. Coin Flip himself.

The emphasis of my post though was that it is possibly Otis would look into a sign and trade deal for Mr. Arenas. That might be one of the few luxury tax scenarios Devos would allow due to the cash flow having Agent Zero would create.

While it is certainly a long shot, I would put us in the top 5 teams to land Gilbert this summer.

[mhectorgato]

Oh, and my final, and weakest, point, though I feel it deserves mentioning: if there ever was a superstar who actually WOULD take a pay cut in the middle of his prime to play for a better, funner (more fun?) team, it would be Mr. Coin Flip himself.

The emphasis of my post though was that it is possibly Otis would look into a sign and trade deal for Mr. Arenas. That might be one of the few luxury tax scenarios Devos would allow due to the cash flow having Agent Zero would create.

While it is certainly a long shot, I would put us in the top 5 teams to land Gilbert this summer.

Well, to keep Rashard and get Gilbert - in a S&T, we'd at least need to package up Hedo and Jameer - which would get it to about 12 million - which is what he'd be getting next year anyways. But since it's 125% in the trade, he could go up to about 15 mill/year though.

Otherwise we could do a Rashard for Zero straight up - don't think they'd do that.

[TheRevTy]

Would you do a deal of Hedo and Jameer for Gilbert? I don't know that Washington needs Hedo or would even really want Jameer. Maybe a three-way involving Toronto? Something like Hedo, resigned Dooling, JJ and Fran to Toronto, T.J. Ford and Bargnani to Washington, and Gilbert to Orlando? The salaries are probably pretty far from matching, and maybe even the talent, but something like that? Or maybe involving Portland?

[maginno]

Would you do a deal of Hedo and Jameer for Gilbert? I don't know that Washington needs Hedo or would even really want Jameer. Maybe a three-way involving Toronto? Something like Hedo, resigned Dooling, JJ and Fran to Toronto, T.J. Ford and Bargnani to Washington, and Gilbert to Orlando? The salaries are probably pretty far from matching, and maybe even the talent, but something like that? Or maybe involving Portland?

IF we even tried the sign and trade technique - it wouldn't work. Most teams in the NBA would have an interest in Gilbert. they could offer much better packages.

[TheRevTy]

I agree that almost every team would be after him, but Gilbert has to agree to sign with them. He wouldn't agree to sign with the Memphis or Milwaukee's of the world...

Again, longshot, but if pursued I wouldn't be utterly shocked if it could get done.

[lovehoops01]

And if he doesn't come back before the season is over, there always would be the question if he was the next Grant Hill. I have no idea of his medical situation, but he has missed a significant part of the past two seasons with a knee injury. If he checked out fine, I wouldn't let that stop me, but then again, I haven't gone on for years about how the Magic should have known there was something wrong with Grant Hill and it was the worst signing in the history of the universe -- even if most of the league undoubtedly is interested in signing him.

[BassMaster]

When Rashard's contract is expiring we will be able to land just about any available player with it...until then he is pretty much worthless on the trade market.

I agree with this post. Until then we are stuck with this overpaid player.

[BassMaster]

And if he doesn't come back before the season is over, there always would be the question if he was the next Grant Hill. I have no idea of his medical situation, but he has missed a significant part of the past two seasons with a knee injury. If he checked out fine, I wouldn't let that stop me, but then again, I haven't gone on for years about how the Magic should have known there was something wrong with Grant Hill and it was the worst signing in the history of the universe -- even if most of the league undoubtedly is interested in signing him.

The Magic do not need another Grant Hill and that is what they will get with Gilbert. The same knee has been bothering him for years. He had to have surgery to fix a problem because of another surgery and after that the dr's had to keep on draining it. Does that spell relief for the Magic, NO it does not.
The Magic have had two worst signings ever first Grant Hill , now Lewis so please don't had Gilbert to that list enough is enough.

[TheRevTy]

First of all, how can you say Rashard is one of the worst signings ever? I mean, even if you look at guys who used to be good who were signed to big contracts and killed their team for many years, you could come up with a formidable list (Ben Wallace, Larry Hughes, Jared Jeffries, heck, the vast majority of the New York Knicks, you could even argue this summer's Vince Carter extension) and that doesn't even mention the players who are flat out bad who were signed to huge deals simply because of a push during a contract year.

Second, I would obviously do extensive research to ensure Arenas' would be healthy. However, I think there is much less risk of Gilbert becoming a shell of his former self than was with Grant Hill for a couple reasons. First, knees are much easier to come back from than feet. When you have an ankle injury, even walking aggravates it. Typically injured feet remain injured for a VERY long time. This is part of the reason I wasn't so upset when Trevor Ariza was traded. Gilbert injured his meniscus and then pushed too hard to come back too soon. The key to a properly repaired meniscus is to be very compliant to rehabilitation, or else re-injury could ensue. This is why Gilbert is not pushing to come back too soon this year. What he is doing right now is very smart and shows a lot of restraint. Grant Hill kept pushing to come back to justify his huge contract, and therefore kept injuring himself. While it looks fishy that Gilbert has had two surgeries on the same knee, that is VERY common in meniscus injuries. What it means is that he came back too soon in the first one and the meniscus wasn't given proper time to heal. This second time, he has obviously been very cautious, and has caught a lot of flack for it, but it is crucial in order to come back strong.

Also, Grant Hill's game was always predicated on driving, therefore he couldn't play to anywhere near the level of his previous self. Say he were to have a game where his ankle was kind of sore. Enough to bother him, but not enough to keep him out. Since his whole game was driving the lane, he becomes ineffective. Gilbert has a more perimeter oriented game, and therefore his longevity can be increased. This is another reason signing Rashard Lewis over Gerald Wallace was smart. Quite simply, shooters have longer careers than thrashers (hence the transformation of a player like Vince Carter).

Assuming we get a clean bill of health regarding Gilbert, would you guys do a deal that sees Hedo and Jameer going out with Gilbert coming in?