I wonder how long it'll be before the Boston Celtics draft a player who remains with the team long enough to ever surpass Havlicek. Too bad Garnett wasn't drafted originally by Boston. He might be a player that could do it. Because Garnett could have longevity in the NBA like Karl Malone or Kareem Abdul-Jabber if he desired to play that long and takes care of his body.
With his 34-point effort last Saturday against the Nets, Dirk Nowitzki became the Mavericks all-time leading scorer with 16,644 career points. He is one of seven players all-time that currently lead a franchise in scoring while playing each game of his career for that club (John Havlicek
Players that lead their franchise in points all-time
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Points Rank Player Points
1. John Havlicek 26,395
2. Larry Bird 21,791
3. Robert Parish 18,245
4. Kevin McHale 17,335
5. Bob Cousy 16,955
6. Sam Jones 15,411
7. Paul Pierce 15,375
8. Bill Russell 14,522
9. Dave Cowens 13,192
10. JoJo White 13,188
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I think pierce will pass Havlicek.
Pierce will add 1,243 points(so far) to his career points. Right now he will be in 6th with 16,618 points. He averages around 1,662 points per season. If pierce plays 6 more seasons with 1662 points per season he will pass Havlicek.
1. John Havlicek 26,395
2. Larry Bird 21,791
3. Robert Parish 18,245
4. Kevin McHale 17,335
5. Bob Cousy 16,955
6. Sam Jones 15,411
7. Paul Pierce 15,375
8. Bill Russell 14,522
9. Dave Cowens 13,192
10. JoJo White 13,188
Not including this season ^
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I think pierce will pass Havlicek.
Pierce will add 1,243 points(so far) to his career points. Right now he will be in 6th with 16,618 points. He averages around 1,662 points per season. If pierce plays 6 more seasons with 1662 points per season he will pass Havlicek.
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If anyone will ever have a chance at passing Hondo, this is it. But 1,662 per season means over 20 ppg, and that's if Pierce plays all 82 games. You gotta figure as the years go on he'll be playing less and less games, and averaging less and less ppg.
But the way Pierce's game is, he doesn't rely too much on athleticism, so he could be a very productive player well into his late 30's. So if he's committed to staying in shape and playing out the remainder of his career in a Celtics uniform, it's possible.
But the way Pierce's game is, he doesn't rely too much on athleticism, so he could be a very productive player well into his late 30's. So if he's committed to staying in shape and playing out the remainder of his career in a Celtics uniform, it's possible.
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bonsaiflipflops wrote:I wonder how long it'll be before the Boston Celtics draft a player who remains with the team long enough to ever surpass Havlicek.
Not for many, many years and likely never. It was more likely before free agency kicked in. PP should pass Bird though. If he reaches 25,000 that would be an amazing accomplishment.
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Even though Havlicek is in first for all-time points. Isn't Bird in first for career average all-time in points?
Pierce must find a way to remain a consistent and primary part of the offense and I simply can't see this happening as age likely becomes a factor. If the Celtics should win at least one NBA championship during the Pierce, Garnett and Ray Allen reign. Paul could decide to retire by the end of his contract. I mean star players begin to be phased out of the franchise's future plans unless you're a potential Hall Of Fame player and the franchise is struggling for attendance and you're the big draw for a lot of those fans. Then you hang around like Reggie Miller. But, even Miller was still a vital part of their team even if he'd taken a back seat to Jermaine O'Neal and company. And Indiana was still good even if Miller wasn't as good as he was when he was younger.
Pierce is a slasher and adds to his game total in points at the free throw line, usually. He might settle for the mid range jump shot or the three-point shot. But, he could just as easily post up an opponent or drive to the rim. What Paul must learn to do is adapt to the changing in his body physically from age (perhaps he gains weight or has issues with his joints) and the inevitable decline in overall skills. Ray Allen will probably age better than Paul speaking only in terms of offense because one of the strengths of Ray's game is indeed his perimeter shooting. So, he can shoot jump shots for the rest of his career and still average a double digit in points. But, he'll need to play with a good facilitator at point guard. The concern for Ray is his health. He isn't an iron man like Paul and Kevin. A bright head coach can extend their careers, Kevin and Paul, if he reduces their minutes and convinces them to come off the bench if a younger and better talented player is in front of them. If they remain a starter... Still, their minutes would need to be lessen.
It appears likely that Paul will catch Parish, maybe catch Bird but a reach to catch Havlicek. Paul would've already passed Jones had he not missed a game last season, I would think. Pierce has three years remaining on his current contract. He's a favorite of management and probably Ainge. I see little reason to believe Paul wouldn't retire a Celtic. However, my doubt of Pierce ever surpassing Halicek stems mostly on wondering how much will Paul's role diminish by the time he gets by Parish. But, even in his mid to late thirties, I could be surprised to see Pierce excel in a sixth man role. He could... But, I wonder if Paul would prefer to go out on top and not still play and be lesser than a perennial All-Star player. It depends on whether or not Paul cares about his place in the franchise's record books. It would be nice to see his legacy as a Boston Celtic put into a statistical perspective as well. Not that statistics should define who you were as a player. Those who got to see you live already know how important you were to the franchise in your day. But, it'll be like leaving a stamp of your name behind. The more stamps of your name the better.
Pierce must find a way to remain a consistent and primary part of the offense and I simply can't see this happening as age likely becomes a factor. If the Celtics should win at least one NBA championship during the Pierce, Garnett and Ray Allen reign. Paul could decide to retire by the end of his contract. I mean star players begin to be phased out of the franchise's future plans unless you're a potential Hall Of Fame player and the franchise is struggling for attendance and you're the big draw for a lot of those fans. Then you hang around like Reggie Miller. But, even Miller was still a vital part of their team even if he'd taken a back seat to Jermaine O'Neal and company. And Indiana was still good even if Miller wasn't as good as he was when he was younger.
Pierce is a slasher and adds to his game total in points at the free throw line, usually. He might settle for the mid range jump shot or the three-point shot. But, he could just as easily post up an opponent or drive to the rim. What Paul must learn to do is adapt to the changing in his body physically from age (perhaps he gains weight or has issues with his joints) and the inevitable decline in overall skills. Ray Allen will probably age better than Paul speaking only in terms of offense because one of the strengths of Ray's game is indeed his perimeter shooting. So, he can shoot jump shots for the rest of his career and still average a double digit in points. But, he'll need to play with a good facilitator at point guard. The concern for Ray is his health. He isn't an iron man like Paul and Kevin. A bright head coach can extend their careers, Kevin and Paul, if he reduces their minutes and convinces them to come off the bench if a younger and better talented player is in front of them. If they remain a starter... Still, their minutes would need to be lessen.
It appears likely that Paul will catch Parish, maybe catch Bird but a reach to catch Havlicek. Paul would've already passed Jones had he not missed a game last season, I would think. Pierce has three years remaining on his current contract. He's a favorite of management and probably Ainge. I see little reason to believe Paul wouldn't retire a Celtic. However, my doubt of Pierce ever surpassing Halicek stems mostly on wondering how much will Paul's role diminish by the time he gets by Parish. But, even in his mid to late thirties, I could be surprised to see Pierce excel in a sixth man role. He could... But, I wonder if Paul would prefer to go out on top and not still play and be lesser than a perennial All-Star player. It depends on whether or not Paul cares about his place in the franchise's record books. It would be nice to see his legacy as a Boston Celtic put into a statistical perspective as well. Not that statistics should define who you were as a player. Those who got to see you live already know how important you were to the franchise in your day. But, it'll be like leaving a stamp of your name behind. The more stamps of your name the better.
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You have to remember that the Celtics will probably play in a several playoff series in the next few years which will give Paul a great chance of catching Hondo. I think that Paul playing 6 more seasons at 20ppg is pretty realistic if you ask me. If Paul is able to score 25,000 pts and winning at least one ring he should be good for the HoF.
