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Butler Has Torn Labrum In Left Hip

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Post#201 » by hands11 » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:30 pm

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I agree....if player X plays 10 minutes, and player Y plays 2 minutes, it is obvious that player X has a better chance to get hurt JUST because he on the floor more. It doesn't mean that his chances of injury increase more in the 3-10 minute mark though because he has been playing....does that make sense?


Sure. That is the linear part of it. Simply being exposed more. But now push this to the limit. We are talking max minute players not the difference between 2 min and 10 mins. Max minutes means when compared to the entire league, these people are pushing the limits beyond what the entire league of players are doing.

At that level you do get exposed to more injury because your tired and tired people don't react as quickly. I don't think that is in debate. I don't know about you but when I'm on my 4th game of BB or have been working out for an hour, I get tired and I don't move a fast and my feet don't shuffle as quickly. If you were to come at my legs, it wouldn't be able to get out of the way as quickly.

Also when you push this hard, you get joint problems. Look at DS and his knee.

You also get muscle problems. You get stains and pulls.

Come on. This isn't really a debate is it? This is common knowledge to anyone who have pushed themselves athletically. You get things like tendinitis because you pushed yourself to hard.

Sure some of this is genetic but you have to evaluate it for all things being equal. It would be to hard to evaluate for ever factor that could be involved. And as mentioned, that data set isn't even complete and doesn't account for injured players who still play. Look at Kobe's finger or a player like Brett Favre who played with lots of bad injuries.

We aren't talking about each persons pain threshold which is a whole nothing factor.

But some things do really stand out like, was the player just coming off injury? In that case, I would definitely lower their load.
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Post#202 » by hands11 » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:35 pm

pineappleheadindc wrote:.
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t through 95 percent of practice and we just cooled him down at the end."


Thanks for posting that.
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Post#203 » by Soup's Uncle » Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:30 pm

I hope Tough Juice is just that over the next 2-3 weeks (speculated before he plays)...Tough...

Gil said on his blog he's not ready yet.
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Post#204 » by Kanyewest » Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:53 pm

Caron Butler went through shootaround this morning and while he won't play tonight, the fact that he woke up feeling good and was able to get back on the court with teammates today is a very good sign that his left hip is feeling better. If you recall, he also practiced back on Feb. 18 but woke up the next morning with stiffness and pain, couldn't go through shootaround for that night's game against the Knicks and had not practiced again until yesterday.


http://blog.washingtonpost.com/wizardsinsider/2008/03/tuesday_update.html
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Post#205 » by MDStar » Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:51 pm

Great News! :clap:
Just let the young boys play! It's truly the only hope at this point.
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Post#206 » by Wizards2Lottery » Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:33 pm

He needs to come back against Cleveland and throw down a slam in LeBrons face.
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Post#207 » by pineappleheadindc » Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:49 pm

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From Ivan's blog:



Caron Butler went through a full practice today and if all goes well during shootaround tomorrow, he'll be in the lineup against the Cavs. Antawn Jamison (lower back strain) and Antonio Daniels (sore left thumb) did not practice but are probable according to Coach Eddie Jordan. Translation: they are playing. Oleksiy Pecherov (left mid-foot sprain) didn't dress last night but did some shooting and said he will be available tomorrow night.

Sidenote: Pesh just walked by me as I was typing this blog entry while sitting on the floor outside of the locker room. Pesh: "Hey man, they don't give you chair? What's up with that? I tell you what, you come to Ukraine, I give you chair. I guarantee you a chair in Ukraine." That Pesh, what a guy.

Gilbert Arenas and Etan Thomas practiced as well.

Me to Eddie: "Gilbert practicing today, that's a good sign no?"
Eddie: "For today, it's a good sign. For today."

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Post#208 » by fishercob » Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:20 pm

Be afraid, Eastern Conference. Be VERY afraid....
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Post#209 » by miller31time » Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:57 pm

How great would it be if both Gil and Caron suited up for the Cleveland game?

Likely? Hell no. But freaking bad-ass.
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Post#210 » by LyricalRico » Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:59 pm

fishercob wrote:Be afraid, Eastern Conference. Be VERY afraid....


For all the negative posting I've done this season, I have to say I feel the same way.

If Etan and Gil both come back in April and get enough games under their belt to get a rhythm going we're gonna be nice going into the playoffs (assuming nobody else gets hurt). Orlando, our likely opponent, would get absolutely steam rolled. Round 2 against Detroit would be a solid series, 6 games at least.

If everybody comes back early enough it's still possible to make up 3 games on Toronto for the #5 spot, setting up yet another re-match with Cleveland. I'd be so freaking psyched if that happened!
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Post#211 » by fishercob » Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:54 pm

From the Wiz Website!

Butler Likely to Start vs. Cavs
By: Andrew Rosen
March 12, 2008

Tomorrow, Caron Butler will be turning 28 years-old and all indications are that the 6'7 forward will receive a great birthday present when he will likely return to the Wizards starting lineup.

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Post#212 » by Wizards2Lottery » Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:00 pm

My guess is that within one week we'll have Gilbert back as well.

It'll take them a few games to settle down but in 2-3 weeks we will be bulldozing our way to the NBA Finals. 8)
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Post#213 » by MDStar » Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:11 pm

Gilbert0Arenas wrote:My guess is that within one week we'll have Gilbert back as well.
It'll take them a few games to settle down but in 2-3 weeks we will be bulldozing our way to the NBA Finals. 8)


I don't think so. I posted a piece from Ivan's chat today in the Gil thread. Basically, he said that from what he's seen from Gil in one on one games, he's no where near being ready to be the Gil of old. Not really jumping at all. He may still be a month away.

Pediction: Game 1 of the playoffs. Maybe a week before.
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Post#214 » by Donkey McDonkerton » Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:26 am

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I don't think so. I posted a piece from Ivan's chat today in the Gil thread. Basically, he said that from what he's seen from Gil in one on one games, he's no where near being ready to be the Gil of old. Not really jumping at all. He may still be a month away.

Pediction: Game 1 of the playoffs. Maybe a week before.


But he also said, he hasnt seen much of Gil. Gil is ready to go, he just wants Butler back (and working) before he comes back.

2-3 days and we'll know more.
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Post#215 » by hands11 » Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:10 am

I'm going to just focus on the positive right now. There is to much good news going on to worry about what we don't know.

#1 I didn't think we would see CB till Saturday. And while I think that would be the safer thing to do, I'm excited if CB feels confident he is ok to run some ball.

#2 Nick Young is a lot better now then he was last time CB was healthy. You can now have 2 players on the court that can score in lots of ways and can get their own shot. I wanta see some CB and NY.

#3 AB has got in a lot of PT and I think he is ready to roll once CB gets back. It will be a huge lift of a kid that is still a follower most the time, not yet a leader like CB.

#4 DMAC showed up while CB was out. You can now play the kid and expect something good.

#5 Mason has refined his 3 shooting and can be counted on to fill that roll.

#6 DS add the drive to his game.

#7 we added Songaila. I don't know where he was to start the year but he is on the roster now.

#8 Haywood is still there being solid most nights.

#9 OP, while having a little foot issue, can do more now then when CB left. Its still not something to count on every night, but its more then he was giving.

This is a way better team then the one CB left which was already a good team.

AD, DS and AJ are injured and need rest. We will now be able to do more of that against softer teams and in blow outs. You can better trust a lead in the hands of Mason, Songaila, DMAC, Blatche and Nick Young then you could before.

Adding CB back is like 1+1=10
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Post#216 » by 80sballboy » Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:49 am

So in other words, Butler will play 45 minutes. Please EJ. This is not all or nothing. Play him 35 or less minutes and get Jamison some rest with more DSong and Blatche. Maybe use more 3 guards with Mason, NY and Stevenson/AD. We have a decent bench now-use it.

If Gil can practice one day and can't practice the next because his knee is sore, what's the point? Play him during the next road trip off the bench and ease him in the lineup. He has to get over the mental hurdle.
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Post#217 » by LyricalRico » Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:15 pm

80sballboy wrote:So in other words, Butler will play 45 minutes. Please EJ. This is not all or nothing.


Good point. Caron just needs about 30 minutes IMO.
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Post#218 » by fishercob » Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:25 pm

two weeks ago, Terpman wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Check back in 2-3 weeks and I'll give you the opportunity to rescind that statement. I'm not saying he has Bo Jackson's condition...I'm saying hip injuries near the socket are bad. Period. If you think this is like resting a sprained ankle or something else that will only take a few weeks or so, you might be following the Wizmedstaff/PiedPiper...I think Caron would be crazy to suit up again this year unless an MRI showed that tear 100% healed.




After Caron returned from injury to lead the Wiz past the Cavs last night, Ivan Carter wrote:Posted at 1:28 PM ET, 03/14/2008
Feeling good

Caron Butler just walked out of the arena after practicing today and declared: "I feel great." So, I guess that left hip is in good shape after he played 41 minutes in last night's win over the Cavaliers and practiced today.


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Post#219 » by hands11 » Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:52 pm

Great news. Hopefully we get him back down to 25-30 min against LAC

I predict we win out the month going 8-2

The Wiz kids are back now that they have their fearless leader.

36-32 by end of month.

TOR is on a west coast trip and losing a lot of games.
2-5 this month with

@ DEN
@SAC
@Utah

then Miami and @CLE

We could be in 5th place or tied by end of month

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