Trade Up To The #1 Draft Slot
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GJense4181 wrote:Keep in mind that Aldridge is your second option shooting 14.8 times each night, but if Amir were to play as many minutes he'd only shoot 8.25 times a night. If he were to shoot 8.25 more times at a shooting percentage of 56.4%, he'd score 9.31 more points a game for a total of 20!
Keep in mind, he's not a Blazer fan.
Blazers wouldn't offer a deal of Aldridge for Beasley. They traded away their franchise PF and devoted a full year of development to LaMarcus so he could become the teams starting PF alongside Oden. They aren't gonna throw all that out the window to take a chance on Beasley. You also have to keep in mind Pritchard comes from the Spurs and knows the value of having 2 legit 7 footers in the frontcourt.
And I got a kick out of your whole post as you tried to rationalize how your offer was even remotely close to ponder's Blazer suggest. Your original offer was really quite bad. If you offered those same group of players for the same group of Blazer players in poster's post, you'd get laughed off the phone.
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Spykes wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Keep in mind, he's not a Blazer fan. Regardless.
Blazers wouldn't offer a deal of Aldridge for Beasley. Obviously. One is an established former second-overall draft pick (although he could have gone as low as fourth overall), and the other is unproven (although an undeniable top two overall talent). It's simply a risk they don't have to make. However, both would complement Greg Oden PERFECTLY. They traded away their franchise PF Zach Randolph? Addition by subtraction! Don't make that deal out to be anymore than it really was; they gradly cleansed their roster of a cancer/blackhole. and devoted a full year of development to LaMarcus so he could become the teams starting PF alongside Oden. They aren't gonna throw all that out the window to take a chance on Beasley. You also have to keep in mind Pritchard comes from the Spurs and knows the value of having 2 legit 7 footers in the frontcourt.
And I got a kick out of your whole post as you tried to rationalize how your offer was even remotely close to ponder's Blazer suggest. I just played with numbers. Amir Johnson could become a Josh Smith with more offense and less defense. The Spurs were very interested in him this past off-season, so your boy Pritchard, coming from such a *stellar* organization, would likely be intrigued, as well. Amir is not 6'9" 210 anymore. It was reported that he grew 1.5+ inches and gained 20+ pounds. He's not a scrub. Your original offer was really quite bad. Fine. and if this whole thread was about my trade offer, I'd be happily prepared to defend it. But it was merely an example of what I wanted other posters to provide. I had more faith in the reading comprehension/attention span of the posters here. If you offered those same group of players for the same group of Blazer players in poster's post, you'd get laughed off the phone.
I have a problem with that last part. If I offered Antonio McDyess, Amir Johnson, Arron Afflalo, Cheikh Samb, a first-rounder and two second-rounders for LaMarcus Aldridge, Jarrett Jack, Sergio Rodriguez, and Joel Pryzbilla...I'd be laughed off the phone? Really? Wow.
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GJense4181 wrote:I have a problem with that last part. If I offered Antonio McDyess, Amir Johnson, Arron Afflalo, Cheikh Samb, a first-rounder and two second-rounders for LaMarcus Aldridge, Jarrett Jack, Sergio Rodriguez, and Joel Pryzbilla...I'd be laughed off the phone? Really? Wow.
Find me 1 fan (not from Detroit) who thinks that's a even a remotely good idea for the Blazers.
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GJense4181 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
I have a problem with that last part. If I offered Antonio McDyess, Amir Johnson, Arron Afflalo, Cheikh Samb, a first-rounder and two second-rounders for LaMarcus Aldridge, Jarrett Jack, Sergio Rodriguez, and Joel Pryzbilla...I'd be laughed off the phone? Really? Wow.
Aldridge on his own is worth 5 times what this Pistons trade offers.
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GJense4181 wrote:Apples to apples, I can have my man-crush on Amir Johnson and they are allotted one on Sergio Rodriguez, but Aldridge/Jack/Pryzbilla for McDyess/Afflalo/Samb/first/2 seconds are more or less equivalent, especially if you include Amir's potential.
Not even close to equivalent.
Find me one fan (not you, or from Portland), that thinks there are any *valuable* pieces in the Portland trade offer besides LaMarcus Aldridge?
Aldridge on his own is worth 5 times what this Pistons trade offers.
Done.
So I'll ask again, find me someone who thinks that's even the slightest bit fair for Portland.
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GJense4181 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
That's an ignorant statement and you know it.
Well, if you think Portland would listen to a trade offer like the one you suggested, you've to no room to talk. That's a really awful offer. Where's Bill Walton? Bill, what do you think?
"Horrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrable!!!
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Ruzious wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Well, if you think Portland would listen to a trade offer like the one you suggested, you've to no room to talk. That's a really awful offer. Where's Bill Walton? Bill, what do you think?
"Horrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrable!!!
And here is #2. Both aren't Portland fans BTW.
Got anyone who's willing to back up your statement yet?
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GJense4181 wrote:Forgive me for not being surprised that people undervalue Detroit's young talent and underestimate Joe Dumar's drafting skills.
It's much trendier to overrate Portland's roster.
Lamarcus Aldridge is not worth five times as much as Antonio McDyess. Yes, Antonio McDyess is 10 years older, but all of his statistics are similar (if not identical) to Aldridge's, save for points per game...however, Aldridge shoots 7 more times a game than Antonio, and if we were to add 6 points to McDyess' total, we'd be looking at virtually the same player, production-wise.
No?
LaMarcus is in his 2nd year in the league and as you yourself state, is 10 years younger. Thats a big deal! You're making it seem like that's something that can just be overlooked. McDyess will be out of the league before Aldridge is in his prime.
It's pretty funny that you continue to try and defend this deal.
Seriously, go post it on the Trade Board. See what kind of response it gets. Shoot, go ahead and even post it on the Pistons board. I bet a good portion of them know the Blazers would laugh you guys off the phone.
And while we're at it...
kingsfan10 wrote:I really like Samb and Amir Johnson and they both have shown good potential....Amir could be something special BUT the LMA deal for the Amir deal is bad for the Blazers due to the stated statements by Spykes...
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GJense4181 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Forgive me for not being surprised that people undervalue Detroit's young talent and underestimate Joe Dumar's drafting skills.
It's much trendier to overrate Portland's roster.
Lamarcus Aldridge is not worth five times as much as Antonio McDyess. Yes, Antonio McDyess is 10 years older, but all of his statistics are similar (if not identical) to Aldridge's, save for points per game...however, Aldridge shoots 7 more times a game than Antonio, and if we were to add 6 points to McDyess' total, we'd be looking at virtually the same player, production-wise. No?
Aldridge is a 2nd year player who is like 22 years old. McDyess is like 35 years old. That makes a huge difference when you are trading for a pick because the team is always going to be rebuilding. Miami has no use for McDyess, he is older and only marginally better than Haslem and no where near Marion. Aldridge can play center, next to Marion, McDyess at 6'9'' can not. This is not rocket science man, just stop, you look worse with every post.