LeBron at his peak

Post #41 » by **penbeast0** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:47 pm

One note for those of you who think LeBron's numbers will increase. Over 80% of NBA players have their statistically highest PAR season (adding points + assists + rebounds) during their first five years in the league. This is LeBron's sixth. So you might expect an increase in efficiency but probably this is as good as it gets for the glory stats.

On the other side, some of the straight out of high school guys did improve after that point (Kobe, Moses) . . . possibly due to their increasing physical maturity . . . so there is a better chance for LeBron than for other players.

bballcool34 · Post #42 » by **bballcool34** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:05 pm

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Re: 54% FG

He's already shooting 49%. I don't think it's too unlikely to raise it 5% at his peak.

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It's reasonable to say he'll shoot 54%, just not in the same season in which he scores 35 points.

And 5% is a pretty big rise in field goal percentage- curiously, how many players after 5 or so years of being in the league, increase their field goal percentage by that much in the same season they score their career high in points? (Assuming of course that you meant Lebron's career high in points will be 35).

Post #43 » by **miller31time** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:02 pm

bballcool34 wrote:It's reasonable to say he'll shoot 54%, just not in the same season in which he scores 35 points.

And 5% is a pretty big rise in field goal percentage- curiously, how many players after 5 or so years of being in the league, increase their field goal percentage by that much in the same season they score their career high in points? (Assuming of course that you meant Lebron's career high in points will be 35).

Really? I would think that there's a correlation between shooting a career high in field goal percentage and a career high in points (ie: one leads to the other).

bballcool34 · Post #44 » by **bballcool34** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:27 pm

miller31time wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Really? I would think that there's a correlation between shooting a career high in field goal percentage and a career high in points (ie: one leads to the other).

Agree with what you said.

My point is that 54% is too high for a guard/forward to shoot in today's league while averaging 35 points.

I could see Lebron shooting 54% say in a year he puts up 20-24 points per game- less shot attempts, but increased efficiency- fewer shots can translate into the shots a player does take being better.

An example off the top of my head would be Iverson with the Nuggets this year.

Generally, if a player is scoring 35 points per game, he needs to in order for his team to win. I can't see a guard/ small forward putting up that many points on that high efficiency while also carrying a major portion of his team's scoring load.

Post #45 » by **CBS7** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:08 pm

Harry Palmer wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I'm always interested in projections which are so randomly acute. Like not 8.5 assists, or 9.5 rebounds, but rather 8.6 and 9.4...not 33 pts/game, but 33.2. That kind of specific imagination always fascinates me.

It just looks cooler.

Post #46 » by **CBS7** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:12 pm

I'll say around 32 points, 9 rebounds, 8 assists, 2 steals, and 1 block a game. His highest individual scoring season though, I could see around 33-35.

Post #47 » by **rrravenred** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:58 pm

I think he won't get too much better statistically, but I do think he'll become a better player.

As an aside, since his Rookie year, I've been somewhat disappointed with the way the cavs have decided to develop bron-bron. Making him a Magic-style playmaker as a first option would have been the path that I think might have led to him becoming the most productive kind of player as opposed to a scoring / jack-of-all-trades wing.

Of course, the quality of his team-mates possibly impacted this (step forward, Larry Hughes), but doesn't alter my view that Bron's best season will NOT come with him scoring over 30ppg.

eyejayem · Post #48 » by **eyejayem** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:44 am

Two things will happen:
1. He will get help as in a compliment player and secondary pieces(shooters by nature): It will open up the game and the court where teams that double team get killed in asts and boards and teams that stay and leave one defender Lebron will kill on the drive and his efficient shooting

2. He will get more efficient: His shot will become a staple to his offense making him more versatile and lethal.

Stat line:
33-35 pts per game
51% FG% (yes fg% doesnt go up because people did forget that he
is shooting a better 3pt% meaning more threes but keeping his
FG%down)
10- 10.5 rebs
11 asts
2 stl
1.5 blks
3 TO
37% 3ptfg%
78% FT%

And he will be 6'9" and 265lbs at 28
Season MVP,DPOY, NBA 1st team, AllStar MVP, Finals MVP

Most important it will be his 2nd championship

The year he takes the NBA to whole 'nother level and makes everyone step their game up.

nesta · Post #49 » by **nesta** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:56 am

40 pts
7 rebs
4 ast
2 stls
1 bpg
51 fg%
85 ft%
2 TPG

Serpo · Post #50 » by **Serpo** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:29 am

As soon as he gets better teamates his PPG will decrease .

He might average something like 25 PPG 12 Assist 9 Rebounds per Game with a better team .

Post #51 » by **CBS7** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:02 am

These are some ridiculous statlines.

eyejayem · Post #52 » by **eyejayem** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:15 pm

Can you imagine if he played on an offensive oriented team, instead of a grind it out type of defensive team? Imagine if he was in the triangle offense? Wow.

Chessboxer · Post #53 » by **Chessboxer** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:15 pm

CBS7 wrote:These are some ridiculous statlines.

I know, some of these statlines look like something out of NBA Live.

call.me.dude · Post #54 » by **call.me.dude** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:56 pm

ppg will go down, as he will get better teammates
defense will increase A LOOOOOOOT
--> slightly better spg and bpg
Assists will be the same or slightly go up (better teammates can convert the ball better but also put some pressure of lebron)
same with rebounds
slightly better fg % as he doesn't have to take impossible shots and has the desire to get better, but will get fouled more and more + will take more threes

27.6 PPG
7.6 Rpg
8.1 Apg
2.3 Spg
1.5 Bpg
3.1 TOpg
38 Mpg
Fg: 49.6 %
3p: 37.1 %
FT: 75 %

my guess ...

Post #55 » by **Schad** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:54 am

The determining factor will be pace of the teams on which he plays; it's really quite incredible that LeBron is putting up those numbers on a team that ranks in the bottom third in pace.

If, at some point in the next few years, he plays on a more athletic, open-court team, he could average 30+ ppg on excellent percentages and close to a triple-double per night. Of course, it probably will not happen unless Cleveland makes good use of their soon-to-be expiring contracts...and after the Hughes/Jones/Marshall signings, that's not guaranteed.

Serpo · Post #56 » by **Serpo** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:07 am

If Cleveland's not significantly improving somehow i doubt Lebron will resign . And the management already proved to be incompetent .

Basileus777 · Post #57 » by **Basileus777** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:20 am

If he gets a better team his assists might actually go down. With a competent point guard he won't be dominating the ball quite as much.

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